Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:18 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Have you worked out what the actual tangible benefits are yet of leaving ?
(Anyone can answer this one, anyone)

Increase in vale of investments.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:46 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

It's a bit like sports clubs refusing to leave their own squalid spiritual homes rather than sharing a better facility elsewhere , it makes you ' feel ' better

If it was "only" a sporting matter I may agree with you but, this issue is way more important.
The number of people that I have spoken to since the vote, who have said that they didn't realise this or that would happen as a result of the vote is quite astonishing.
The fact that every product that comes into the EU has a tariff number which attract a certan level of import duty and that EVERY one of these has to be re negotiated, from baked beans to bananas to Bentey's, EVERY one.
But, no , some of the Tory "optimists" are still saying that we will have free access to the single market !!!
WHY would the EU give Britain preferential access, whilst still charging other countries (who also allow free movement), is just bonkers.
If this was allowed, the EU would cease to exist and although it may crumble as a result of Brexit, there is just no way we can cherry pick our requirements and the thought of Britain arranging separate trade deals with other nations and then being allowed to supply "cheap" goods into the EU is just laughable.
Who in their right minds would allow this to happen or, believe that it could happen ????

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:50 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

If it was "only" a sporting matter I may agree with you but, this issue is way more important.
The number of people that I have spoken to since the vote, who have said that they didn't realise this or that would happen as a result of the vote is quite astonishing.
The fact that every product that comes into the EU has a tariff number which attract a certan level of import duty and that EVERY one of these has to be re negotiated, from baked beans to bananas to Bentey's, EVERY one.
But, no , some of the Tory "optimists" are still saying that we will have free access to the single market !!!
WHY would the EU give Britain preferential access, whilst still charging other countries (who also allow free movement), is just bonkers.
If this was allowed, the EU would cease to exist and although it may crumble as a result of Brexit, there is just no way we can cherry pick our requirements and the thought of Britain arranging separate trade deals with other nations and then being allowed to supply "cheap" goods into the EU is just laughable.
Who in their right minds would allow this to happen or, believe that it could happen ????

So we were trapped ?

Do you like being trapped ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:01 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The fact that every product that comes into the EU has a tariff number which attract a certan level of import duty and that EVERY one of these has to be re negotiated, from baked beans to bananas to Bentey's, EVERY one.?

So every product we sell to the EU will require a separately negotiated tariff ? , fair enough

Every product they sell us will need a similar negotiated tariff , no worries

As for free movement of people , well it does need to be under our control with regards those coming into Britain , if the EU want to put controls on British citizens entering the EU , again , no worries

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:22 am  

WHY would the EU give Britain preferential access, whilst still charging other countries (who also allow free movement), is just bonkers.

Why does free movement and tariffs need to be linked??

Will our trade deals with Australia, USA, India etc be linked to the number of people we are willing to let in?

Why aren't tariffs linked to your environmental performance, military spend...........

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:28 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Why does free movement and tariffs need to be linked??

Will our trade deals with Australia, USA, India etc be linked to the number of people we are willing to let in?

Why aren't tariffs linked to your environmental performance, military spend...........

1/ They are linked within the EU because that is the deal that every member agrees to when joining the EU.

2/ We dont yet have independent deals with the USA, India, Australia yet but, bearing in mind that the EU is our largest market and they simply wong give the UK a preferential deal, especiallly IF we obtain cheaper tariff free raw materials or finished goods from India, China etc and then try to supply back into the EU, they will first of all protect their "members" just as they currently do.

3/ Tariff's are not linked to anything other than being applied to ALL goods brought into the EU.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:33 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

So every product we sell to the EU will require a separately negotiated tariff ? , fair enough

Every product they sell us will need a similar negotiated tariff , no worries

As for free movement of people , well it does need to be under our control with regards those coming into Britain , if the EU want to put controls on British citizens entering the EU , again , no worries

I'm pleased that you have "no worries" about the products that the UK sells to the EU.

If your business depended on sales to the EU, you may think differently ?

Some politicians have tried to comfort the UK public by saying thet total trade with the EU is similar in both directions and therefore it makes sense not to have and "penalties" for trading with one another and whilst this may be true, the value of trade is approximately half of all the UK's exports but is no where near half of all exports out of the EU, therefore, in proportion, Britain has far, far more to lose.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:35 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

1/ They are linked within the EU because that is the deal that every member agrees to when joining the EU.

2/ We dont yet have independent deals with the USA, India, Australia yet but, bearing in mind that the EU is our largest market and they simply wong give the UK a preferential deal, especiallly IF we obtain cheaper tariff free raw materials or finished goods from India, China etc and then try to supply back into the EU, they will first of all protect their "members" just as they currently do.

3/ Tariff's are not linked to anything other than being applied to ALL goods brought into the EU.

Or goods supplied from the EU in reply/retaliation ? , those BMW,Audi's,Mercs and Volkswagens will get more expensive

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:39 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I'm pleased that you have "no worries" about the products that the UK sells to the EU.

If your business depended on sales to the EU, you may think differently ?

Some politicians have tried to comfort the UK public by saying thet total trade with the EU is similar in both directions and therefore it makes sense not to have and "penalties" for trading with one another and whilst this may be true, the value of trade is approximately half of all the UK's exports but is no where near half of all exports out of the EU, therefore, in proportion, Britain has far, far more to lose.

Again as you suggest , we are trapped , or being held to ransom ?

You ok with that , is that what ' friends ' do ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:41 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

So we were trapped ?

Do you like being trapped ?

I wouldn't call it trapped at all.
We signed up to being a part of the EU and had a voice within there to influence the direction of the "organisation".
Without doubt, certain aspects of being a member have certainly helped the UK over the last 40 years, after all we keep hearing how well our country is doing within the world market, achieved whilst being part of the EU.

The end to the cold war, the falling of the Berlin wall, living in a free society, fee movement within the EU (especially for the 2 million plus Brits in Spain.
The main aspect, free trade is huge and only now as we try to unravel the UK from 40 years of ties, can we see just how embeded we have become.