Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:19 pm  

Why the panic? France will vote in Le Pen and the EU will be finished. Its distintegration will hit the German economy hardest and we'll become, for a short while, Europe's economic powerhouse.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:30 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Again as you suggest , we are trapped , or being held to ransom ?

You ok with that , is that what ' friends ' do ?

I think that when we voted to leave, we we deemed to be a fair bit lower down on the friends list.
Friends stick together, they dont walk away. Britain has walked away and we will get what we deserve.
The EU should look after the member nations, once we finally press the "eject" button, we have decided that we dont want to be "friends"

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:14 am  

Dally wrote:

Why the panic? France will vote in Le Pen and the EU will be finished. Its distintegration will hit the German economy hardest and we'll become, for a short while, Europe's economic powerhouse.

If you're so confident I suggest you put a lump on, currently at 5/2.

After the last two "shock" results I was tempted myself, but it sounds like after the first round of voting, those on the left will vote for the Republican to stop Le Pen at all cost.

However, stranger things have happened.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:27 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I wouldn't call it trapped at all.
We signed up to being a part of the EU and had a voice within there to influence the direction of the "organisation"..

The organization evolved significantly between the UK joining the Common Market and where we are now. In that time there have been a variety of wheezes to get around democratic short comings. Perhaps if meaningful reform had been put on the table it wouldn't have come down to this, but nothing must threaten the gravy train.

wrencat1873 wrote:

Without doubt, certain aspects of being a member have certainly helped the UK over the last 40 years, after all we keep hearing how well our country is doing within the world market, achieved whilst being part of the EU..

Some have helped, some haven't.

wrencat1873 wrote:

The end to the cold war, the falling of the Berlin wall, living in a free society, fee movement within the EU (especially for the 2 million plus Brits in Spain.
.

The sun coming up in the morning, the wars in the Balkans, the Greek debt crisis...
Attributing stuff to the EU doesn't mean the EU was actually primarily responsible for it, it has had a positive impact in some places and a negative in others.

wrencat1873 wrote:

The main aspect, free trade is huge and only now as we try to unravel the UK from 40 years of ties, can we see just how embeded we have become.

This is why I voted Remain, simply due to the pain of untangling the UK from this sleazy and corrupt organisation. For 40 years the EU and its previous incarnations has been insidious in ingratiating itself into every layer of society (paid for by our own money), making client groups out of businesses and politicians of all types and stripes. EU regulation permeates almost every aspect of domestic regulation, regardless of need, politicians and civil servants from your local council up to government ministries operate within a system where the EU's influence extends. I was a district councilor on a small district councilor, a few years ago we couldn't award a small services contract to the best supplier because an EU rule said that the bidder had to have a certain type of EU accreditation to sell to local authorities, none of this had anything to do with the company's actual capability to deliver, they were doing it for other non-local authority customers, but as a small company the best supplier couldn't afford the high cost of the EU "accreditation" (i.e. kickback), so we could only consider bigger and more expensive tenders. Most people associate EU crony jobs with has been politicians like Kinnock (and his wife), Chris Patten, Peter Mandelson, but even on my little district council we had councilors sitting on EU quangos (funded by UK taxpayers of course), they were far more lucrative than the domestic allowances.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:58 pm  

farage for U.S ambassador

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:58 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

farage for U.S ambassador

Do you have any actual views about any of this stuff, or do you just enjoy a childish glee that is most eloquently expressed through the medium of a smirking emoji?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:47 pm  

Kelvin's Ferret wrote:

The organization evolved significantly between the UK joining the Common Market and where we are now. In that time there have been a variety of wheezes to get around democratic short comings. Perhaps if meaningful reform had been put on the table it wouldn't have come down to this, but nothing must threaten the gravy train.

Some have helped, some haven't.

The sun coming up in the morning, the wars in the Balkans, the Greek debt crisis...
Attributing stuff to the EU doesn't mean the EU was actually primarily responsible for it, it has had a positive impact in some places and a negative in others.

This is why I voted Remain, simply due to the pain of untangling the UK from this sleazy and corrupt organisation. For 40 years the EU and its previous incarnations has been insidious in ingratiating itself into every layer of society (paid for by our own money), making client groups out of businesses and politicians of all types and stripes. EU regulation permeates almost every aspect of domestic regulation, regardless of need, politicians and civil servants from your local council up to government ministries operate within a system where the EU's influence extends. I was a district councilor on a small district councilor, a few years ago we couldn't award a small services contract to the best supplier because an EU rule said that the bidder had to have a certain type of EU accreditation to sell to local authorities, none of this had anything to do with the company's actual capability to deliver, they were doing it for other non-local authority customers, but as a small company the best supplier couldn't afford the high cost of the EU "accreditation" (i.e. kickback), so we could only consider bigger and more expensive tenders. Most people associate EU crony jobs with has been politicians like Kinnock (and his wife), Chris Patten, Peter Mandelson, but even on my little district council we had councilors sitting on EU quangos (funded by UK taxpayers of course), they were far more lucrative than the domestic allowances.

Excellent post

Bottom line is the EU just emanates a bad smell , as you suggest proper reforms and ousting of trough users and it could ( and should ) work , but allowing in countries just to get them out of Putins influence has created a massive imbalance

Brexit will hurt , but eventually that will subside and the world will just carry on

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:11 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Excellent post

Bottom line is the EU just emanates a bad smell , as you suggest proper reforms and ousting of trough users and it could ( and should ) work , but allowing in countries just to get them out of Putins influence has created a massive imbalance

Brexit will hurt , but eventually that will subside and the world will just carry on

The key question with all of this is, whether the UK is stronger and more prosperous on the outside, without any influence on what is the country's largest trade block or, are we better off separating ourselves from our closest neighbours, rather than trying to correct any of the faults that there are within the EU and whether having a referendum on this in June was sensible, given that there will be substantial economic fall out in the short-medium term, was in any way sensible.
Of course, over the long term, things will find a new level.
It could be better, it could be worse but, people have voted for the unknown, sold to them by Farage and Johnson and other politicians who told us that we would be able to achieve the same tradinbg terms that we had when we were part of the EU "club".

Btw, I agree with your comments on the "trough" and lets not forget that we have our own MP's, Peers and Royals being very well fed in our own UK trough.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:05 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Do you have any actual views about any of this stuff, or do you just enjoy a childish glee that is most eloquently expressed through the medium of a smirking emoji?

Judging by...

brearley84 wrote:

walkers crisps gone up 5p ! bugger

brearley84 wrote:

America does a Brexit !

trump and farage got very friendly recently

brearley84 wrote:

kanye west 200/1 to be president in 2020 along with trump at 200/1 also if any takers

It's sadly the second.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:19 pm  

As we all know so many things have been attributed or linked to Brexit. As reported in today's Times, yesterday's London Standard came up with the days most bizarre linkage: "Londoners are still forking out for boob jobs despite the Brexit vote." Strange times we live in.