Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:25 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Me too, and the one last night was as good as the drama and filled in a lot of the gaps.

What gets my goat a bit is the moaners, the TV drama train-spotters equivalent, the ones who whine about "historical inaccuracies" because someone is wearing a pair of gloves that look as though they have a press stud in them, or they spot a zip in the back of someones jerkin - FFS just sit back and enjoy an hours entertainment, we all know it wasn't filmed in 1470, its drama, you're supposed to use your imagination a bit.

Ah, I hadn't realised that my voice carried that far.


If only the inaccuracies were all so trivial.
I suffer from having had an interest in that period of history for a long time and when a fiction pops up that is supposed to be about Elizabeth Woodville (and her scheming, grasping siblings) and the twists and turns that even historians can't agree about are (probably necessarily) blithely passed quickly over with key people missing so that we can get back to the shagging, it gets a bit irritating for me ... as I guess it does for proper historians (amongst whose number I cannot claim to be).
At least it doesn't (so I understand) portray Richard III as the usual evil, scheming maniac.

But, if you guys want to watch the televisual equivalent of an airport W H Smith's blockbuster novel, so be it.

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:31 am  

Mintball wrote:

"We don't need you to do that," as a response to being told that he was following someone, would, by most normal people, be understood as 'stop what you're doing - ie following'.

The media keep saying he was explicitly told to stop following.

"Ok, we don't need you to do that" is IMPLICIT.

Explicit = "Stop following. Return to your car immediately"
Implicit = "Ok, we don't need you to do that. Where is he now? ...3 (?) more minutes of talking".

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:40 am  

Mintball wrote:

... I first saw Irons on stage at the RSC doing Richard II – I remember finding the character so utterly wimpy ...

I know that feeling.
I know Coriolanus was supposed to be, erm, close to his mother ... but Charles Dance in that role (also at the RSC) was about as warriorlike as Paul O'Grady.
Some (very famous and successful) screen actors just can't command a live audience.

I have left at the interval rather than endure Derek Jacobi ac-TOR-ing his way through a second half (funnily enough that was Richard II too, at Bradford Alhambra, I think) yet he was spot-on on TV in Last Tango in Halifax.

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:10 pm  

Nothing to Declare - I know drug smugglers are the bottom of the food chain and disposable. I know that they must have "issues" that mean that they are smuggling drugs up their butt or in their stomach. But FFS how can you go to Australia smuggling drugs and not think to get a convincing story for the immigration officer?

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:39 am  

http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanew ... 0130719/10 Charles Barkley gets it spot on about Zimmerman. I just feel bad because I don’t like when race gets out in the media because I don’t think the media has a ‘pure heart,’ as I call it,” Barkley said. “There are very few people who have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any shape [or] form — there are a lot of black people who are racist, too. I think sometimes when people talk about race, they act like only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. And I don’t like when it gets out there in the media because I don’t think the media has clean hands. If this case was as strong as the media claim they wouldn't need to perform so many blatant lies to whip up the storm. If you look at the evidence the only verdict was not guilty. So the media don't bother with the evidence and just paint the biased picture they want.

http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanew ... 0130719/10 Charles Barkley gets it spot on about Zimmerman. I just feel bad because I don’t like when race gets out in the media because I don’t think the media has a ‘pure heart,’ as I call it,” Barkley said. “There are very few people who have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any shape [or] form — there are a lot of black people who are racist, too. I think sometimes when people talk about race, they act like only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. And I don’t like when it gets out there in the media because I don’t think the media has clean hands. If this case was as strong as the media claim they wouldn't need to perform so many blatant lies to whip up the storm. If you look at the evidence the only verdict was not guilty. So the media don't bother with the evidence and just paint the biased picture they want.

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:24 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

The media keep saying he was explicitly told to stop following.

"Ok, we don't need you to do that" is IMPLICIT.

Explicit = "Stop following. Return to your car immediately"
Implicit = "Ok, we don't need you to do that. Where is he now? ...3 (?) more minutes of talking".

I didn't say it was "explicit". I said that most normal people would take it to mean: stop doing that.

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:28 am  

The Culture Programme - Anyone watch Yentob talking to Thomas Heatherwick? A very imaginative guy.

But I don't see the point of a(nother) bridge, this time from Temple to the South Bank, even if it is meant as a green, tree-ed space over the river.
Yentob reckons it would join Covent Garden to the South Bank and a green bridge is soooo original..
a) it wouldn't
b) Waterloo Bridge already does
c) Mile End Park goes over a green bridge, so let's drop the "original idea" idea.

I also don't know why they had to go to Noo Yawk to look at the High Line (a raised railway, converted into a linear park, not a new construction, unlike Mile End, which was)

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:53 am  

Yentob's having a right lark at the BBC's expense lately, isn't he?

Not bad for someone who was disciplined over faking his involvement in interviews on Imagine.

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:16 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

I also don't know why they had to go to Noo Yawk to look at the High Line (a raised railway, converted into a linear park, not a new construction, unlike Mile End, which was)

They have had a plan to do the same in Birmingham for some years now and they have a similar plethora of now disused viaducts entering the city from all directions which nature has been left to reclaim - local residents in Deritend (for instance) have campaigned for a long time to be allowed up onto one disused viaduct in their district to reclaim it and allotment-ize it, to no avail at the moment, in the meantime nature is continuing with its job anyway and some decent sized young trees can now be seen on some of the raised railways

Re: The all-singing, all-dancing TV thread - Part Three : Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:37 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Yentob's having a right lark at the BBC's expense lately, isn't he?
Not bad for someone who was disciplined over faking his involvement in interviews on Imagine.

He's had a long career based on appearing to be the thoughtful man with his finger on the cultural pulse but, in truth, just sucking-up to whoever is the current hot-property, getting his own name up-front as the discoverer.
Don't know if you've ever read 2 1/2 Men in a Boat by Nigel Williams?
Yentob (although not named IIRC) was supposed to be the third man in the boat, following Jerome K Jerome's trip up-river, but they had to set off without him and even when he did eventually turn up he was on the phone all the time or asking his fellow boatees which way they thought was best to lean/jump these days ... an opportunist if ever there was one.
A non-renaissance, shallower version of Melvyn Bragg.