Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:01 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

rather than trying to correct any of the faults that there are within the EU

That was never, ever going to happen.

I mentioned many pages back that watching a 'fly on the wall' documentary on the EU Commission in which Mr Juncker and his cronies spoke candidly about the the looming EU Referendum was enough to secure my 'Out' vote. The widespread contempt, disdain and sheer arrogance expressed towards any criticism of the system was appalling.

All of them, without fail, believe the ideology of the core EU principles and even closer union is absolutely, utterly correct and flawless, and crucially: NOT UP FOR NEGOTIATION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. Remember, this is not a democratically elected body, yet they shape the future of the EU, like it or not. At least if our government does a terrible job and the populace want a different direction we can vote a new one in. We can do precisely nothing about the EU Commission and you simply can't get away from that fact.

No thanks. I'll take my chances.

Mr Juncker would probably be utterly bewildered he helped contribute to Brexit.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:24 pm  

Cronus wrote:

That was never, ever going to happen.

I mentioned many pages back that watching a 'fly on the wall' documentary on the EU Commission in which Mr Juncker and his cronies spoke candidly about the the looming EU Referendum was enough to secure my 'Out' vote. The widespread contempt, disdain and sheer arrogance expressed towards any criticism of the system was appalling.

All of them, without fail, believe the ideology of the core EU principles and even closer union is absolutely, utterly correct and flawless, and crucially: NOT UP FOR NEGOTIATION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. Remember, this is not a democratically elected body, yet they shape the future of the EU, like it or not. At least if our government does a terrible job and the populace want a different direction we can vote a new one in. We can do precisely nothing about the EU Commission and you simply can't get away from that fact.

No thanks. I'll take my chances.

Mr Juncker would probably be utterly bewildered he helped contribute to Brexit.

It's difficult to argue with any of that.

The only point to put forward is that our lives and the future of The UK is, whether or not we "like" the EU commission, very heavily dependent on their actions and we have definitely put ourselves on the outside and to the bottom of the pile (in fact, not even on the pile) when decisions are taken in Europe.

75/80 years ago when Britain was a manufacturing powerhouse and leading the world in so many areas, getting out would have made all the sense in the world but, although we are one of the largest economies in the Western world, we are a small island and no longer is the UK powerful enough to "go it alone" and we leave our selves vulnerable, both economically and in so many other ways.
Some of the bureaucracy does seem over the top but, assuming that we end up with similar levels of trade with the EU, the vast majority of this will have to remain.
Mr Juncker does seem both arrogant and power crazed but, is the UK really strong enough to prosper as an isolated nation, perhaps with less support from the USA, now that they are starting to appear more inward looking ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:54 pm  

Come on then all of you "Brexitiers".
Following the Chancellors blanket reduction in growth forecasts and increases in borrowing, how is leaving the EU helping us ?
Despite 2% growth this year, we are heading for the rocks and Brexit is starting to have the effect that everybody was warned about but, it was "just scaremongering"
I despise Osborne but, he did appear to have a clear plan, painful as it was for the poorest members of the population.
His successor seems to have taken a leaf out of Gordon Brown's political strategy, where the Chancellor just crosses his fingers and hopes for the best.

Separate trade deals, even if they happen quickly, aren't going to help significantly and we are still left with a pound that has similar value to gold milk bottle tops.

We've taken back control of the Titanic (sorry UK) just as we approach a huge iceberg.

Farage is too busy sticking his head up Trump's backside, Cameron fell on his sword, Boris remains, a clown and Corbyn cant even lead his own party.
It's bloody depressing

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:05 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Come on then all of you "Brexitiers".
Following the Chancellors blanket reduction in growth forecasts and increases in borrowing, how is leaving the EU helping us ?
Despite 2% growth this year, we are heading for the rocks and Brexit is starting to have the effect that everybody was warned about but, it was "just scaremongering"
I despise Osborne but, he did appear to have a clear plan, painful as it was for the poorest members of the population.
His successor seems to have taken a leaf out of Gordon Brown's political strategy, where the Chancellor just crosses his fingers and hopes for the best.

Separate trade deals, even if they happen quickly, aren't going to help significantly and we are still left with a pound that has similar value to gold milk bottle tops.

We've taken back control of the Titanic (sorry UK) just as we approach a huge iceberg.

Farage is too busy sticking his head up Trump's backside, Cameron fell on his sword, Boris remains, a clown and Corbyn cant even lead his own party.
It's bloody depressing

not left yet.

we voted for the long term not short

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:11 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Come on then all of you "Brexitiers".
Following the Chancellors blanket reduction in growth forecasts and increases in borrowing, how is leaving the EU helping us ?
Despite 2% growth this year, we are heading for the rocks and Brexit is starting to have the effect that everybody was warned about but, it was "just scaremongering"
I despise Osborne but, he did appear to have a clear plan, painful as it was for the poorest members of the population.
His successor seems to have taken a leaf out of Gordon Brown's political strategy, where the Chancellor just crosses his fingers and hopes for the best.

Separate trade deals, even if they happen quickly, aren't going to help significantly and we are still left with a pound that has similar value to gold milk bottle tops.

We've taken back control of the Titanic (sorry UK) just as we approach a huge iceberg.

Farage is too busy sticking his head up Trump's backside, Cameron fell on his sword, Boris remains, a clown and Corbyn cant even lead his own party.
It's bloody depressing

At least Hammond has given up on Gideon's fairy tale plan to balance the books by 2020.

So now the country's debt will be up to an eye-watering £1.945 trillion by the end of this Parliament, of which £78 billion is estimated to be attributed to a slow down in the economy due to Brexit over the next three years.

But as one of our Pro-Brexit posters says

GUBRATS wrote:

Brexit will hurt , but eventually that will subside and the world will just carry on

I just hope that many of the oldies who voted for the good old days, won't be here to see it.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:45 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

not left yet.

we voted for the long term not short

IF we drop into recession, which is extremely likely, please comfort the folk that lose their jobs with your words.
The whole point of this is that, the vote didn't have to occur when it did, other to appease a group of disaffected Tories and just out of interest, how far into the future do we need to go to start and see tangible benefits of leaving the EU ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:38 pm  

Oh woe is me , que Sera , Sera , what will be will be , the futures not ours to see , que sera sera

I woke up again this morning , the sun came up , just another wonderful day

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:42 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Oh woe is me , que Sera , Sera , what will be will be , the futures not ours to see , que sera sera

Well at least you got what you voted for.

GUBRATS wrote:

I woke up again this morning , the sun came up , just another wonderful day

Just the same as pre-referendum then.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:23 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Oh woe is me , que Sera , Sera , what will be will be , the futures not ours to see , que sera sera

I woke up again this morning , the sun came up , just another wonderful day

Blind faith in Farage, now that is scary.
Life will go on but, it's hard to be happy when we appear to have voted for something that appears worse than what was there before.
It certainly doesn't fill me with happy thoughts but, human beings can live with a fair bit more crap than we have so yipee, lets all just thank the lord

Nobody has yet said where this improves our lives, apart from not having to answer to Brussels.

Why should we be pleased about being worse off ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:17 pm  

We don't know yet , so no use worrying about it , it really is that simple