Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:04 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Why should we be pleased about being worse off ?

Cos we didn't sign up for the E.U. - just the Common Market.

Cos we're getting our borders back.

Cos we'll now be able to set our own laws, not those ridiculous European diktats.

Cos we're sick of immigrants stealing our jobs & houses.

Erm, oh yes, we won, so just get over it, stop your whining & suck it up coz it'll be worth it in the long run.

So what if I'm worse off for the next few years (scaremongering), so what if the far right are on the rise (scaremongering), so what if my human rights become diluted (scaremongering), I'm English & I'm getting my Country back.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:18 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Cos we didn't sign up for the E.U. - just the Common Market.

Cos we're getting our borders back.

Cos we'll now be able to set our own laws, not those ridiculous European diktats.

Cos we're sick of immigrants stealing our jobs & houses.

Erm, oh yes, we won, so just get over it, stop your whining & suck it up coz it'll be worth it in the long run.

So what if I'm worse off for the next few years (scaremongering), so what if the far right are on the rise (scaremongering), so what if my human rights become diluted (scaremongering), I'm English & I'm getting my Country back.

Interesting take on whats happened, especially on immigration.

I'm sure that you are aware that over half of the immigration into the UK was from outside the EU, areas where "we" had full border control.
Regarding the laws that we have in this country, which ones specifically do you think that the EU have forced on us ?
It wasn't the EU that wanted to cut benefits to the disabled, was it or the EU or tried to force Poll Tax onto the masses.

You (we) have been sold a "pup" by Farage and Johnson and the "better in the long run" means nothing.

Once we are 10 years into life outside the EU, nobody will be able to measure whether things would have been better or worse had we stayed in or, come out.

Therefore the only measure we have is for perhaps the next 5 years and I'm pleased that you are so positive about things.
The budget yesterday showed the country taking on more debt, directly attributed to the EU vote, £122 billion over the next 5 years.

That's an awful lot of hospitals, schools, houses, NHS spending etc, etc

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:46 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Interesting take on whats happened, especially on immigration.

I'm sure that you are aware that over half of the immigration into the UK was from outside the EU, areas where "we" had full border control.
Regarding the laws that we have in this country, which ones specifically do you think that the EU have forced on us ?
It wasn't the EU that wanted to cut benefits to the disabled, was it or the EU or tried to force Poll Tax onto the masses.

You (we) have been sold a "pup" by Farage and Johnson and the "better in the long run" means nothing.

Once we are 10 years into life outside the EU, nobody will be able to measure whether things would have been better or worse had we stayed in or, come out.

Therefore the only measure we have is for perhaps the next 5 years and I'm pleased that you are so positive about things.
The budget yesterday showed the country taking on more debt, directly attributed to the EU vote, £122 billion over the next 5 years.

That's an awful lot of hospitals, schools, houses, NHS spending etc, etc

I think he was being ironic...

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:41 am  

Following the Chancellors blanket reduction in growth forecasts and increases in borrowing, how is leaving the EU helping us ?

You sound like Cameron. The people have voted out and have voted out for their own reasons, a significant one is they are sick of "foreigners" filling up schools, hospitals, taking council houses, taking welfare they've not paid into and jobs at a lower price. Stop waffling on like you are some MP or sat in a high up place. You, like Cameron and his cronies are completely underestimating the underlying reason for the 'shock' result. Its a shock 'cause of ignorant people like you.

IF we drop into recession, which is extremely likely, please comfort the folk that lose their jobs with your words.
The whole point of this is that, the vote didn't have to occur when it did, other to appease a group of disaffected Tories and just out of interest, how far into the future do we need to go to start and see tangible benefits of leaving the EU ?

It did occur and the people have spoken. It just goes to show how out of touch 'important' people are.

We will see tangible benefits on day one when the borders close and we can get our kids into the schools of our choice, medical centres near by.... Why does the argument have to solely focus on trade. Have you considered that there are people who live 'simple' lives and don't care about stock markets, trade deals....unlike some of the smart ar5es on here who think they are brighter than the governor of the bank of England

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:12 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

You sound like Cameron. The people have voted out and have voted out for their own reasons, a significant one is they are sick of "foreigners" filling up schools, hospitals, taking council houses, taking welfare they've not paid into and jobs at a lower price. Stop waffling on like you are some MP or sat in a high up place. You, like Cameron and his cronies are completely underestimating the underlying reason for the 'shock' result. Its a shock 'cause of ignorant people like you.

It did occur and the people have spoken. It just goes to show how out of touch 'important' people are.

We will see tangible benefits on day one when the borders close and we can get our kids into the schools of our choice, medical centres near by.... Why does the argument have to solely focus on trade. Have you considered that there are people who live 'simple' lives and don't care about stock markets, trade deals....unlike some of the smart ar5es on here who think they are brighter than the governor of the bank of England

Loving your last point.
Everything is driven by money, without it, what are you going to build your schools and hospitals etc with, fresh air ?
I agree about politicians, both here and in the EU being out of touch and the free movement of the population within the EU, coupled with large numbers of people displaced by conflict (which we helped create), is no longer realistic and there is no doubt that he EU will have to find a solution for this.
I understand that most people dont give a damn about how the economy works and that's fair enough but, like it or not, it's critical to how the masses live their lives. From the price of petrol, food in the supermarket, and cash for investment in the very things that we all want to see (education, NHS, welfare state etc).
You can say that you aren't bothered and yet you complain about medical centres and schools not having enough capacity.
The two things go hand in hand.
As for being brighter than the Governor of The Bank of England, I only wish that I was but, he will make decisions on the fundamentals that control money supply and control inflation (stuff that you arent bothered about) but, if folk start to lose their jobs, the problem becomes very "real" and then you will be bothered.
You already say that foreigners are taking our jobs so, what happens when there are just as many people but, fewer jobs to go round ?
Maybe we should send "them" all home ????

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:56 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

IF we drop into recession, which is extremely likely, please comfort the folk that lose their jobs with your words.
The whole point of this is that, the vote didn't have to occur when it did, other to appease a group of disaffected Tories and just out of interest, how far into the future do we need to go to start and see tangible benefits of leaving the EU ?

future for the kids and grand kids

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:27 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

future for the kids and grand kids

What future ?
Floating along, cut adrift from the rest of the world

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:12 pm  

Exiled down south wrote: You sound like Cameron. The people have voted out and have voted out for their own reasons, a significant one is they are sick of "foreigners" filling up schools, hospitals, taking council houses, taking welfare they've not paid into and jobs at a lower price. Stop waffling on like you are some MP or sat in a high up place. You, like Cameron and his cronies are completely underestimating the underlying reason for the 'shock' result. Its a shock 'cause of ignorant people like you. It did occur and the people have spoken. It just goes to show how out of touch 'important' people are. We will see tangible benefits on day one when the borders close and we can get our kids into the schools of our choice, medical centres near by.... Why does the argument have to solely focus on trade. Have you considered that there are people who live 'simple' lives and don't care about stock markets, trade deals....unlike some of the smart ar5es on here who think they are brighter than the governor of the bank of England You realise that 'Foreigners' are actually net contributors don't you? https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Yes, that's right. They pay in more in taxes than they 'consume' in services. This is because they tend to be young, of working age, willing to work etc. The issues are mostly down to our government imposing austerity for the past 6/7 years. That's why there's a burden on the NHS, it isn't because Jonny foreigner is in A&E all the time, it's because it's massively underfunded. Exactly the same for education and housing. Underfunded and overworked staff. it just so happens that making sure the populace put the cause/blame of the situation at Jonny Foreigner's door, is a lot more beneficial and stokes up the frothing mouth brigade a lot more than blaming it on our own government policy and austerity. What sells more right-wing tabloid papers to the mouth frothers? A foreigner & family given a council house to live in, or some facts/figures about how much public services have been cut? Do some proper reading before you waffle on with your bigoted, ignorant opinions.

Exiled down south wrote: You sound like Cameron. The people have voted out and have voted out for their own reasons, a significant one is they are sick of "foreigners" filling up schools, hospitals, taking council houses, taking welfare they've not paid into and jobs at a lower price. Stop waffling on like you are some MP or sat in a high up place. You, like Cameron and his cronies are completely underestimating the underlying reason for the 'shock' result. Its a shock 'cause of ignorant people like you. It did occur and the people have spoken. It just goes to show how out of touch 'important' people are. We will see tangible benefits on day one when the borders close and we can get our kids into the schools of our choice, medical centres near by.... Why does the argument have to solely focus on trade. Have you considered that there are people who live 'simple' lives and don't care about stock markets, trade deals....unlike some of the smart ar5es on here who think they are brighter than the governor of the bank of England You realise that 'Foreigners' are actually net contributors don't you? https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Yes, that's right. They pay in more in taxes than they 'consume' in services. This is because they tend to be young, of working age, willing to work etc. The issues are mostly down to our government imposing austerity for the past 6/7 years. That's why there's a burden on the NHS, it isn't because Jonny foreigner is in A&E all the time, it's because it's massively underfunded. Exactly the same for education and housing. Underfunded and overworked staff. it just so happens that making sure the populace put the cause/blame of the situation at Jonny Foreigner's door, is a lot more beneficial and stokes up the frothing mouth brigade a lot more than blaming it on our own government policy and austerity. What sells more right-wing tabloid papers to the mouth frothers? A foreigner & family given a council house to live in, or some facts/figures about how much public services have been cut? Do some proper reading before you waffle on with your bigoted, ignorant opinions.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:18 pm  

brearley84 wrote: future for the kids and grand kids Ironic since the youngest generations voted overwhelmingly to Remain. http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... d-and-why/ "Yeh, we were voting for our kids and grandkids futures, despite it not being what they actually want", brilliant. So when all these supposedly post EU exit benefits start coming in, the majority of those who voted for it will be dead/retired.

brearley84 wrote: future for the kids and grand kids Ironic since the youngest generations voted overwhelmingly to Remain. http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... d-and-why/ "Yeh, we were voting for our kids and grandkids futures, despite it not being what they actually want", brilliant. So when all these supposedly post EU exit benefits start coming in, the majority of those who voted for it will be dead/retired.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:36 pm  

Yes, that's right. They pay in more in taxes than they 'consume' in services. This is because they tend to be young, of working age, willing to work etc. The issues are mostly down to our government imposing austerity for the past 6/7 years. That's why there's a burden on the NHS, it isn't because Jonny foreigner is in A&E all the time, it's because it's massively underfunded. Exactly the same for education and housing. Underfunded and overworked staff.

Let's not forget you are representing the minority. Shout as loud as you like.

If there were less people there would be less demand on schools, housing, hospitals etc etc but you don't see that because the foreigners pay taxes, are positive contributors and now we just need to invent an answer to infrastructure.

Go on call me a racist bigot because that's what people like you do when you don't like what's being said. Unfortunately for you, America, the UK have spoken and others will follow. I'm working in Holland today and spoke with a guy who I hadn't met before and his comments mirrored what has been said in UK. Bigots find Bigots go on tell me.