Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:49 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I don't hear many leavers say they got it wrong please give us another go!!

Apart from:

Nigel Farage wrote:

In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it

And:

Jacob Rees-Mogg wrote:

As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed

And:

David Davis wrote:

the government should first spell out what sort of relationship it wanted with the EU, and put this to a public vote in a “mandate referendum”.

And:

John Redwood wrote:

The second referendum would follow once the negotiations were complete. That would ask: do you want to accept the new negotiated relationship with the EU or not? Voting No means withdrawing from the EU. This seems to me to be the best way forward.

But you're right - apart from those four leading Brexiteers, no Leavers have suggested there should be a second referendum.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:03 pm  

bren2k wrote:

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But you're right - apart from those four leading Brexiteers, no Leavers have suggested there should be a second referendum.

Are these leavers saying "we got it wrong" give us another vote - of course not which was my original point.

Remainers are suggesting another referendum because they didn't like the result end of. Guarantee one thing if the vote had gone the other way the remainers wouldn't be suggesting a re-run.

Again you inability to comprehend simple sentences is exposed - I am thinking you actually John Bercow i.e. a very angry little man

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:13 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Are these leavers saying "we got it wrong" give us another vote - of course not which was my original point.

That's quite a stretch - given that you've never made even one original point in a long and illustrious series of Brexit related posts.

But - what all of those swivel-eyed Brexit obsessed disaster capitalists were referring to, is the fact that a) the result needed to be decisive to call the matter done and b) a confirmatory vote on any proposed deal was the sensible way to go.

It's pretty straightforward, given a reasonable level of comprehension of the English language.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:51 am  

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Remainers are suggesting another referendum because they didn't like the result end of. Guarantee one thing if the vote had gone the other way the remainers wouldn't be suggesting a re-run.
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You've already forgotten that when Farage thought that "leave" would lose, he was already saying that "this wont be the end" etc, etc.
just as Sturgeon is doing north of the border

I dont think you can claim any moral high ground on this one.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:21 pm  

It's quite amusing/ sad to read the posts on the Daily Mail website. They're frequently arguing about which form of brexit is brexit - and they appear to be convinced that 17.4m all voted for each variation. Madness.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:06 am  

silver2 wrote:

It's quite amusing/ sad to read the posts on the Daily Mail website. They're frequently arguing about which form of brexit is brexit - and they appear to be convinced that 17.4m all voted for each variation. Madness.

I voted leave. I'm not ashamed to say it. I voted leave to throw a massive spanner in the works, and by the way it's going, I knew what I was voting for. The reality is, I didn't know what I was voting for. I just threw a spanner in the works. I'm also a million miles away from those pricks who post on the Daily Mail/Sun/Express comment boards. I'm one of the 17.4 million, but don't count me as one of the 17.4 million.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:35 am  

For me what doesn't appear to be being discussed about the EU is the future. Corbyn goes on about trade deal with the US and all our drugs cost more - thankfully he has ditched the US will privatise the NHS crap. Sadly he doesn't mention what the EU might be like in 10 years time - one thing is certain it isn't going devolve power it will want to grow its power base - this isn't a trading block its a Super state that is evolving its power base. Yes it may cost money in the short term but longer term it could be very expensive.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:58 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

For me what doesn't appear to be being discussed about the EU is the future. Corbyn goes on about trade deal with the US and all our drugs cost more - thankfully he has ditched the US will privatise the NHS crap. Sadly he doesn't mention what the EU might be like in 10 years time - one thing is certain it isn't going devolve power it will want to grow its power base - this isn't a trading block its a Super state that is evolving its power base. Yes it may cost money in the short term but longer term it could be very expensive.

Let's not forget the USA is a 'super state' based upon a federation of smaller states - as is Australia.
Leaving on Johnsons deal has been independently costed at £70bn/ year. Now, if that had been printed on the side of his red bus do you really believe anyone would have voted to Leave? We have been lied to and cheated by a serial liar. Why should we expect things to improve?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:49 pm  

silver2 wrote:

Let's not forget the USA is a 'super state' based upon a federation of smaller states - as is Australia.
Leaving on Johnsons deal has been independently costed at £70bn/ year. Now, if that had been printed on the side of his red bus do you really believe anyone would have voted to Leave? We have been lied to and cheated by a serial liar. Why should we expect things to improve?

We were also told that 800k jobs would go, our houses would lose value and we would need an emergency budget such was the calamitous nature of the decision. Perhaps if this hadn't been said the leave majority would have been greater.

Labour said they would back the result of the referendum so why would you vote for another group of serial liars?

Everyone knew leaving the EU would give short-term pain it is the price you pay for getting back control. You will voting Labour their house insulation policy is going to cost £250bn yes double what we put into the NHS - the initial £60bn will be borrowed and that is before they have bought everything back - Brexit will look chicken feed compared to what Labour intend to do - hope closing a few food banks and getting some of the rough sleepers of the streets is worth it

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:23 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We were also told that 800k jobs would go, our houses would lose value and we would need an emergency budget such was the calamitous nature of the decision. Perhaps if this hadn't been said the leave majority would have been greater.

Labour said they would back the result of the referendum so why would you vote for another group of serial liars?

Everyone knew leaving the EU would give short-term pain it is the price you pay for getting back control. You will voting Labour their house insulation policy is going to cost £250bn yes double what we put into the NHS - the initial £60bn will be borrowed and that is before they have bought everything back - Brexit will look chicken feed compared to what Labour intend to do - hope closing a few food banks and getting some of the rough sleepers of the streets is worth it

Interesting spin, again.

First of all, we're not out yet and the claims of 800k jobs may still be proven to be correct - we will have to wait and see.
However, NOBODY is predicting that we will be financially better off, post Brexit.

Labours version of Brexit includes a customs union and perhaps if this had been considered or negotiated within the deal, there may have been a little more support from the opposition benches and the DUP would certainly have been happier.

Spending pledges on both sides are already getting out of control and the election campaign hasn't even officially begun. the 60bn + 250bn are staggering figures though and that's before the usual domestic needs - NHS, Education, Housing, Police etc, etc.

Mind you, we are all well used for false pledges during political campaigns, not to mention vote leave breaking the law on spending during their campaign.

The modern style seems to be just say whatever is needed to win as there seems to be little consequence for fabricating policies or spending pledges.