Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:23 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

In 2016/17 the tax receipts from CT was 56bn an increase of 21% on the previous year - does that suggest to you there is a link between falling rates and increased take or are you still in denial?

If you IFS they will say Corbyn's borrowing cannot be paid for by CT and taxing the rich - it is who do you believe? That level of borrowing is beyond anything we have seen in this country for decades - but hey keep believing.

The DUP are not ideal bedfellows and some of their beliefs are not mine but then there are a host of religious MPs in all parties that I'm sure don't agree with abortion or same sex marriage. The leader of the Liberals for one - so their views are not way out David Ike stylee.

Jeremy would have to bow down to Queen Nicola to get power - she doesn't even want to be in the union!!

Let's face it the DUP were in the middle of a civil war - would you have trusted McGuiness and Adams in the 70's? Funnily enough Corbyn supported all their killing and maiming - nice guy, no wonder he is a pacifist now found his consunse!! Sinn Fein still has a military wing so why are you so concerned about the DUP having one? Its OK for the Catholics?

Corbyn supported none of their killing and maiming, he just tried to get someone to publicly acknowledge the legitimacy of a desire for united ireland. JC has been fiercely anti violence ever since he came on the scene.

If the N Ireland parties feel the need to maintain a paramilitary wing then thats a matter for themselves - just don't be inviting either of them to prop up a government of either colour while those paramilitaries are still active.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:27 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

In 2016/17 the tax receipts from CT was 56bn an increase of 21% on the previous year - does that suggest to you there is a link between falling rates and increased take or are you still in denial?

If you IFS they will say Corbyn's borrowing cannot be paid for by CT and taxing the rich - it is who do you believe? That level of borrowing is beyond anything we have seen in this country for decades - but hey keep believing.

You didn't click a single one of those links did you...?

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:50 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The only way out is through no deal - if you stay in the single market you can't cut individual deals.

Better just accept its the WTO terms try and agree a borderless Ireland and move on.

How would you have a borderless Ireland ?
It sounds easy when you say it but, the reality is that it just isn't possible.
Effectively it would provide tariff free access in both directions and whilst there is little doubt that this may suit Ireland (North and South), it would no doubt become a gateway for a whole host of "under the counter trade".
There always used to be a heap of trade in the border towns and many of these were done within the "grey" market, is that really how you think it will work ?

On a side note, it seems that the Tories are too nervous about re running the GE and they seem to prefer limping along until they are finally put out of their governmental misery.

Are you still a big fan of Mrs May ?

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:51 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

Trump and Corbyn...imagine that

I'd buy a ticket to watch that one !

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:01 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It would OK for the SNP to hold the balance of power?

The only way out is through no deal - if you stay in the single market you can't cut individual deals.

Better just accept its the WTO terms try and agree a borderless Ireland and move on.

In your rabid anti-euro world maybe, but the election result has put a massive hole in H.M.S. Hard Brexit.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:10 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

Terrorist apologist, try READING.

It still doesn't make sense, how can you accuse someone of being a supporter of terrorism who is against violence? It's like calling someone a Commie Nazi.

If you want to debate Corbyn's economics or whatever then that's fine, but the whole 'pacifist terrorist' thing is a totally bizarre argument that TBH makes the people trying to use it look absolutely desperate and stupid. And trying to make out that he is somehow a bad guy for not wanting to nuke other countries is bordering on insanity.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:29 pm  

Seems government don't understand the ramifications of their Fixed Term Parliament Act. On top of not knowing whether or not they have done a deal with the DUP their incompetence is now of farcical proportions. A true coalition of chaos (without even having a coalition)!

What they need to do is reach out to Labour to jointly negotiate the Brexit deal. If they were truly acting in the national interest (!!!!) they would. It would strengthen the UK's hand - 85% voted to leave the single market and allow them to squabble over who is blame if it all goes wrong.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:09 pm  

Dally wrote:

Seems government don't understand the ramifications of their Fixed Term Parliament Act. On top of not knowing whether or not they have done a deal with the DUP their incompetence is now of farcical proportions. A true coalition of chaos (without even having a coalition)!

What they need to do is reach out to Labour to jointly negotiate the Brexit deal. If they were truly acting in the national interest (!!!!) they would. It would strengthen the UK's hand - 85% voted to leave the single market and allow them to squabble over who is blame if it all goes wrong.

Agreed, Brexit is such a major issue that the government need to be grown up about it and get other parties round the table, even the Jocks.

I dread to think what the results could be if they try and go it alone, they have brought nothing but chaos, uncertainty and made us a laughing stock before the whole international community.

There is a slim chance that if May can't form a government, Corbyn will get a go and I reckon he stands a reasonable chance of getting the progressive parties around and a few Tory back benchers. Otherwise, another general election which could go either way right now.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:42 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Agreed, Brexit is such a major issue that the government need to be grown up about it and get other parties round the table, even the Jocks.

I dread to think what the results could be if they try and go it alone, they have brought nothing but chaos, uncertainty and made us a laughing stock before the whole international community.

There is a slim chance that if May can't form a government, Corbyn will get a go and I reckon he stands a reasonable chance of getting the progressive parties around and a few Tory back benchers. Otherwise, another general election which could go either way right now.

Sorry but, that would never happen, just as the Tories wouldn't back Labour is the boot was on the other foot.
Although hindsight is a wonderful thing, if it were possible, Brexit should have been looked at on a cross party basis, separate to ALL other policies.
Mrs May and her party, through utter greed and arrogance, may just have knackered our chances of getting a deal.
The 2 year time frame was always extremely tight and now, the Tories will be so busy trying to sort themselves out, that Brexit wont get the time and consideration that is requires.

Listening to the political commentators on the "Daily Politics", they (the Tories) are so fearful of losing a second election, that they will try and limp through.

Life really is stranger than fiction.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:00 pm  

bren2k wrote:

With regard to personal taxation - almost half the electorate voted for him; I don't believe for a minute that every single one of them was a member of the undeserving poor. There are actually people who can see the bigger picture and are prepared to make personal sacrifices for the greater good - the idiots..

And on the other side of the coin not every person who voted for Conservative was just some rich person only worried about their wallet getting smaller. There are actually working class people who could see how the bigger long term picture of how bad Corbyn would have been even if others couldn't.

And no we don't need another newspaper link backing your view when you know it'd be easy to find links that told the opposite story.