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The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
 
 
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:53 am  
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you really are a pr1ck


Isn't he just.

What condescending pr1ck would claim words are worse than actions.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:11 am  
Sheldon wrote:
Isn't he just.

What condescending pr1ck would claim words are worse than actions.


What amazes me, and has for some time, is that "it" hasn't been banned, it never adds anything to any debate and constantly takes a controversial view for the sake of it.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:12 am  
Dally wrote:
Have I? Repeatedly? Where?


From about page 74 onwards. And maybe before that, I don't know.

Dally wrote:
As I recall, I have not repeatedly expressed opinion on the specifics of his views.


Oh, but you have. You even came out with some bollocks about how he had the 'moral high ground', and how his views on homosexuality had 'validity'.

Dally wrote:
I have not been a foul-mouthed bigot who cannot accept others may hold different views / beliefs to me.


You have not been foul-mouthed, no. You have been, and continue to be, a bigot. You seem to think that using a few profanities is somehow worse than wishing to oppress a whole group of people based solely on their sexuality. You seem to think that my calling a poster 'subhuman scum' is worse than that poster saying that aborting the foetus of a nine-year-old rape victim is a more heinous crime than the rape itself. In short, your moral compass is all fooked up.

And, just so you know, its not bigotry to be unable to accept the bigotry of others. If your 'different views and beliefs' are abhorrent (they are, by the way), I have every right to point that out.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:13 am  
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...constantly takes a controversial view for the sake of it.


I don't think that's the case with Dally. His views on homosexuality, for example, are consistently disgusting. I think to suggest that he's merely trying to be controversial is to give him credit he does not deserve.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:25 am  
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I don't think that's the case with Dally. His views on homosexuality, for example, are consistently disgusting. I think to suggest that he's merely trying to be controversial is to give him credit he does not deserve.


all the links to the Wail are simple devicive though, he's an odeous wretch of a "man".
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:48 am  
Guys.
Let's move on.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:14 am  
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all the links to the Wail are simple devicive though, he's an odeous wretch of a "man".


Lets not forget we are all human beings. The world would be a boring place if we all shared the same views. I have no interest in calling Kirkstaller or Dally petty names, or belitting them for what they believe in. IMO its wrong for them to hold that belief, but thats up to them. I am more interested in asking questions and trying to find out why Kirkstaller holds the views he does, and for Kirkstaller if at all possible to see our side of the argument, so lets cut out the petty name calling eh?
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:34 am  
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Lets not forget we are all human beings. The world would be a boring place if we all shared the same views. I have no interest in calling Kirkstaller or Dally petty names, or belitting them for what they believe in. IMO its wrong for them to hold that belief, but thats up to them. I am more interested in asking questions and trying to find out why Kirkstaller holds the views he does, and for Kirkstaller if at all possible to see our side of the argument, so lets cut out the petty name calling eh?


Anyone who supports the Catholic Church's position that the doctors aborting the unborn child of a nine-year-old rape victim are worse than her rapist is a scumbag. A person holding such a view deserves to be belittled and deserves to be insulted. The same applies to those who would deny rights to a whole group of people solely because they don't like their sexuality. A bit of 'petty name calling' pales into insignificance in the face of the expression of such vile views on a public forum.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:46 am  
kirkstaller wrote:
I met Jesus.


Shouldn't you have melted like a big rapidly burning candle?

That's what happened to the Nazis in "Raiders Of The Lost Ark."
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:06 am  
Rock God X wrote:
Anyone who supports the Catholic Church's position that the doctors aborting the unborn child of a nine-year-old rape victim are worse than her rapist is a scumbag. A person holding such a view deserves to be belittled and deserves to be insulted. The same applies to those who would deny rights to a whole group of people solely because they don't like their sexuality. A bit of 'petty name calling' pales into insignificance in the face of the expression of such vile views on a public forum.


And I agree, their views are abohorrent, but to call someone "it" and an "odious wretch of a ""man"" " is unjustified and uncalled for, imo. Rise above it because at the moment imo Kirkstaller is provoking the reaction that he is trying to justify why he is going to heaven, and why Jesus chose him, and why people are just sooooo bad and all that other nonsense. Don't give him more ammunition mate, thats all I'm saying.
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