Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:58 pm  

bren2k wrote:

In deeds also - I'm a fully paid up member of the Labour party, and will 100% be voting for them at the GE; and taking disciplinary action against any of my employees who can't provide photographic evidence that they have done the same. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

You really do take after your masters.

I was going to ask what you would do about any Jewish employees but I doubt a "paid up member" would ever hire any.

I really do wonder about the most ardent and devoted Labourites. If you believe in the same extreme and anti-UK/capitalism/West ideologies Corbyn and McDonnell have advocated all their lives (but have watered down in the face of increased scrutiny and in an attempt to appeal to all sides), fair enough. If you're anything else, you're a puppet and a muppet and need to give your head a wobble.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:56 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Public sector ?

I run my own business and contribute through vat collections, capital gains, NI, PAYE.
Plenty of risk, not enough reward but, I have a strong social conscience

That makes two of us - so you don't pay CT but pay capital gains what kind of business do you run? - you benefit from the cashflow of collecting VAT?

How does your social conscience manifest itself in the way you treat your staff?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:10 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

That makes two of us - so you don't pay CT but pay capital gains what kind of business do you run? - you benefit from the cashflow of collecting VAT?

How does your social conscience manifest itself in the way you treat your staff?

My error, wandering mind
Corporation tax not capital gains

My staff are well paid and happy with their treatment, working conditions etc, etc.

The social conscience is my own and I'm happy to pay the relevant taxes etc and dont actually believe that right now these should be cut, especially if the result of this is to squeeze those at the bottom of the pile.
We have an ageing population which will take more and more of the social care and health budget and to be frank, as a nation, we have to decide the best wat of financing it's growing needs.
There should be a grown up debate on the health service and not just leave it as a political football.

Right now, we have Boris making promises that we just know that he wont keep and Corbyn promising to spend every last penny and then some.
However, we have to get through Brexit before any of us have a clue just what may be available for either party to spend.

Boris has gone down exactly the same route as May, in trying to increase the Tory majority and he could well suffer the same fete, possibly a hung parliament, which at the current time, wont solve anything.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:49 am  

Cronus wrote:

You really do take after your masters.

I was going to ask what you would do about any Jewish employees but I doubt a "paid up member" would ever hire any.

I really do wonder about the most ardent and devoted Labourites. If you believe in the same extreme and anti-UK/capitalism/West ideologies Corbyn and McDonnell have advocated all their lives (but have watered down in the face of increased scrutiny and in an attempt to appeal to all sides), fair enough. If you're anything else, you're a puppet and a muppet and need to give your head a wobble.

Actual lols - as I believe the kids say.

Meanwhile, after all the smears and nonsense about JC being a Russian asset, it turns out it was Gove and Johnson and their Vote Leave cronies all along; but they are suppressing the report to hide the facts, and the MSM is characteristically supine on the matter.

Hey ho.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:34 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Actual lols - as I believe the kids say.

Meanwhile, after all the smears and nonsense about JC being a Russian asset, it turns out it was Gove and Johnson and their Vote Leave cronies all along; but they are suppressing the report to hide the facts, and the MSM is characteristically supine on the matter.

Hey ho.

I doubt anyone actually thinks Corbyn is a Russian agent. The Russians are becoming the most influential group of Europeans - they are everywhere and their arrogance is growing.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:35 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I doubt anyone actually thinks Corbyn is a Russian agent. The Russians are becoming the most influential group of Europeans - they are everywhere and their arrogance is growing.

Yeah - I'm sure it's just part of the natural evolution of geopolitics that they interfered in the EU referendum, and are funding the Tory party; nothing to see here...

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:40 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Yeah - I'm sure it's just part of the natural evolution of geopolitics that they interfered in the EU referendum, and are funding the Tory party; nothing to see here...

Same as hard left organisations such as Momentum and the Trade Unions funding the Labour party - nothing to see here...

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:23 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Same as hard left organisations such as Momentum and the Trade Unions funding the Labour party - nothing to see here...

What do you make of the new Brexit-con party.
There appears to be a whole load of horse trading going on behind the scenes.

What do you think Farage will be doing after the election, maybe he'll end up replacing Trumps hand, which appears to be firmly up Johnsons rear end.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:13 pm  

There may well be a hung Parliament but perhaps not with the parties numbers being as they are now.

To keep Brexit alive Johnson has to win an overall majority which does seem a difficult task at present. It is the common view that the Tories will lose seats in Scotland, London and SE plus west of Bristol. If that happens Johnson will have to win a considerable number of seats. With the Brexit Party splitting the Leave vote that could be making it even more difficult than it would be.

If the Tories don't get an overall majority and the opposition parties have the numbers over them then Brexit is dead.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:20 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

My error, wandering mind
Corporation tax not capital gains

My staff are well paid and happy with their treatment, working conditions etc, etc.

The social conscience is my own and I'm happy to pay the relevant taxes etc and dont actually believe that right now these should be cut, especially if the result of this is to squeeze those at the bottom of the pile.
We have an ageing population which will take more and more of the social care and health budget and to be frank, as a nation, we have to decide the best wat of financing it's growing needs.
There should be a grown up debate on the health service and not just leave it as a political football.

Right now, we have Boris making promises that we just know that he wont keep and Corbyn promising to spend every last penny and then some.
However, we have to get through Brexit before any of us have a clue just what may be available for either party to spend.

Boris has gone down exactly the same route as May, in trying to increase the Tory majority and he could well suffer the same fete, possibly a hung parliament, which at the current time, wont solve anything.

All good points - I wouldn't like to see CT increase I would like to see it decrease - I would support an increase in employers NI if I thought it was going into the NHS to increase training and not simply to increase the wages of the existing staff - which is what happened the last time NI was increased to support the NHS. Given workers are having to pay 3% into auto enrolment which will rise to 5% how much can we expect people to contribute?

you could well be right - Boris is going down the road that May went down he seems detached from the normal voter. He is lucky he has a personality something May didn't and Corbyn is a known entity and he lacks credibility - their spending plans are madness as is their Brexit policy.