Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:36 pm  

So government bodies who actually run the NHS are not valid sources of information on the NHS?

Ha-ha, if you say so m'lard. I don't think this discussion is going anywhere, have fun!

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:49 pm  

Rinkadink wrote:

So government bodies who actually run the NHS are not valid sources of information on the NHS?

Ha-ha, if you say so m'lard. I don't think this discussion is going anywhere, have fun!

Not without any explanation of the methodology to subtsantiate their claims, NO.

It's similar to Cameron describing yesterday's strike as a "damp squib". All you have evidenced so far are opinions, weighing heavily on a previously discredited political-medico, twisting his own "facts" to suit his personal agenda. Not unlike yourself in fact

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:01 pm  

Rinkadink wrote:

Of course, fat people are the problem. Perhaps I should have said, "Fatty Tax" instead of "Fat Tax"!

It always helps to post what you actually mean, yes.

Rinkadink wrote:

an aside, I can't say I'm really convinced about your argument in favour of saturated fats - there are many, many links between saturated fats and various illnesses and health problems ranging from cancer to bone mineral density. I will agree that replacing fats with carbohydrates isn't good though.

So the French are all dying at a younger age than they should, from these diseases, then? And the rates of death from such health problems in the UK has come down as we've successfully demonised natural saturated fats, yes?

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:20 am  

Rinkadink wrote:

Many of the complications involved with obesity do not materialize until the later years of someone's life. I do not think that sporting injuries amount to obesity's £4.2 billion cost to the NHS in 2008. Happy to be proven wrong though if you can provide the evidence?

I have no clue how they calculate the £4.2 billion, but if it is accurate then as UK consumers spend approx £14.5 billion annually on junk food (probably much more, if you widen the definition beyond the fast food chains, pizza Chinese and Indian takeaways) then I'm guessing the VAT take on that, plus the Tax and NI on the businesses and generated by the people who work in them, not to mention the business rates and corporation tax produced, the fuel duty on delivery vehicles then I would say financially HM Gov comes out well on the right side of the equation, wouldn't you?

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:47 pm  

Mintball wrote:

No. It's not that simple.

Many people do not, for instance, understand that calories in v calories out is not the full story; that cutting fat and 'filling up' with complex carbs – as per the diet advice, certainly some years ago – is actually one thing that will make you put on weight. It is no coincidence that distance runners 'carbo load' before a long race. It's also no coincidence that the two countries that use cereals to 'carbo load' at breakfast – the UK and US – are also countries with some of the biggest obesity problems.

Because of the same dismal advice, many people do not know that they need fat for good health – and also that saturated fat will sate far quicker than complex carbs. They have been fed a lie that natural fats – lard, dripping and butter, for instance – are 'bad', while processed poisons like marg and spray-on fats are 'good' (and more expensive, thus producing higher profits).

Our parents and grandparents did not have an obesity epidemic from eating bread and dripping. And the French Paradox, as it known, shows not only that a diet high in natural saturated fats does not cause an obesity epidemic, it also shows that it does not cause record levels of heart disease and early death. But then again, that myth was only based on the lies of Ancel Keyes.

Many people don't realise that not taking proper time to eat – and not in front of a computer or the telly – doesn't help either.

Processed and junk food doesn't help – I read somewhere recently that some of these things are high in MSG (far higher levels than in soy sauce) and that at these sort of levels, MSG effectively switches off the body's ability to feel sated.

So no: we don't "ALL" know what the solutions are.

You see just because you think your a nutritional expert youve already overcomplicated it for mr and mrs ordinary, youve garbled on quoting this and stating that, its pretty simple really, you can eat anything you want, as long as its in moderation. A balanced diet with good phiz is whats needed so really Mintball it is that easy.

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:15 pm  

liedetector wrote:

You see just because you think your a nutritional expert youve already overcomplicated it for mr and mrs ordinary, youve garbled on quoting this and stating that, its pretty simple really, you can eat anything you want, as long as its in moderation. A balanced diet with good phiz is whats needed so really Mintball it is that easy.

Then you need to define "balanced" and also "in moderation". And WTF is "good phiz" when it's all at home?

I could easily follow Mintball's statement, yours left me totally confused.

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:52 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Then you need to define "balanced" and also "in moderation". And WTF is "good phiz" when it's all at home?

I could easily follow Mintball's statement, yours left me totally confused.

People who post such semi-illiterate stuff as "good phiz" are clearly are not getting the right fatty nutrients to support their brain cell.

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:57 pm  

Mintball wrote:

People who post such semi-illiterate stuff as "good phiz" are clearly are not getting the right fatty nutrients to support their brain cell.

Reminds me of something my nan said a good few years ago when my grandad was alive

i remarked when he was eating fish that it helped develop your brain eating a lot of fish to which my nan replied in another room

"He must have been eating bloody goldfish all his life then"

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:24 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

:lol:

Reminds me of something my nan said a good few years ago when my grandad was alive

i remarked when he was eating fish that it helped develop your brain eating a lot of fish to which my nan replied in another room

"He must have been eating bloody goldfish all his life then"

But it is quite interesting that the 'old wives' tale' about fish being brain food has serious depth to it, if you consider the importance of oily fish/omega oils to the health of the nervous system and, therefore, the brain. You have to wonder how they knew this stuff.

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:47 am  

CANT COOK WONT COOK ! take away's are the nations answer to the fact that people are just bone idle!