Re: Coalition For Marriage : Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

And the goal posts move again.

Lets face it by classic ignorant responses you've wrote the book.

Can I ask which law the "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." quote comes from? Is that not Leviticus 18-22?

It is, though please don't fall into the common trap of thinking this is why Christians oppose gay relations.

Like I said, read the Pauline epistles.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Mon May 14, 2012 10:38 pm  

You'd have to accept that he wrote them and that the stories had been passed down correctly after a few generations.

If people far knowledgeable on the subject than either you or me can't decide how can we begin to accept them? And if you do do you accept them all?

If you banish the Old testament do you not believe in the self fulfilling prophecy?

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Mon May 14, 2012 11:49 pm  

Surely the only bits to be ignored are the ones that deal with Jews? Bits about the King Of The Jews in the second bit are fine, naturally.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 8:19 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

Like I said, read the Pauline epistles.

If someone wants to know Paul's opinions maybe they should do that.
Or, maybe Jesus (God on Earth) wasn't quite good enough at getting his point across, so Paul had to pick up the baton.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 8:24 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

If someone wants to know Paul's opinions maybe they should do that.
Or, maybe Jesus (God on Earth) wasn't quite good enough at getting his point across, so Paul had to pick up the baton.

Jesus was too busy performing magic tricks to be arsed with writing stuff down.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 8:29 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

If someone wants to know Paul's opinions maybe they should do that.
Or, maybe Jesus (God on Earth) wasn't quite good enough at getting his point across, so Paul had to pick up the baton.

At very best they were written 60 years after Jebus' death, Paul wasn't there nor did he know Jebus.*

*That's if Jebus existed, it can't be certain.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 8:36 am  

We shouldn't criticise "Christians" for being selective about which bits of the OT and NT are "true" ... Paul did that particular pick'n'mix literally ages ago.
What beats me is how they choose which tub-thumper's selection to believe.
Jesus? Paul? The Borgias? Ratzinger?

If God created us all and wanted to send us a message, I'd have thought he'd have made it straightforward enough for us to understand.
Or did the great omniscient forget that we aren't omniscient too?

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 8:42 am  

Sheldon wrote:

At very best they were written 60 years after Jebus' death, Paul wasn't there nor did he know Jebus.*

*That's if Jebus existed, it can't be certain.

In terms of philosophy, it doesn't really matter whether he existed, the philosophy isn't a bad one.
Shakespeare might not have written Shakespeare but that dosn't affect whether they are good plays or bad plays.

Whether Jesus existed is an important issue for "Christians" though, their religion revolves around his birth, existence, death and resurrection... so much so, that many of them forget the philosophy bit ... i.e. please be nice to each other.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 8:51 am  

Sheldon wrote:

If you banish the Old testament do you not believe in the self fulfilling prophecy?

I do not banish the Old Testament. I said that we are not subject to Mosaic Law, as described in the Torah. That doesn't mean the history which is recorded in Genesis, Exodus and the Prophets is ignored.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 8:52 am  

Well lets face it he's got alot of time to kill.

He makes the Earth, waits 4.5 billion years, then thinks "hang on this place needs Humans!". He then watches on for at least 98,000 years and throws his son down, not to the most advanced region, but in a land of poverty (who then kill him).

And now we all have to wait for another self fulfilling prophecy to happen or for the sun to expand and make this planet inhabitable or for Andromeda to collide with us in 3 billion years.

He has his flaws does God.