Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:07 pm  

Mintball wrote:

It's Thatcherite socialism dearie: with phalluses and expense accounts for cleaners.

Again show me where I said cleaners had expense accounts - you can't. I am still waiting for you to give evidence of where I said nobody can have an increase because I haven't had one!!

You can't because these quotes don't exist it is you making stuff up!!

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:10 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Like it or lump it is not an option it is an ultimatum.

No its not - nobody is dragged screaming to Aldi to work. What is the ultimatum here, it is not a prison where they have to do as they are told.

All these people have options - this is a free country the way you talk Aldi is salt mine in Siberia, get a grip on the true reality here.

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:11 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Again show me where I said cleaners had expense accounts - you can't. I am still waiting for you to give evidence of where I said nobody can have an increase because I haven't had one!!

You can't because these quotes don't exist it is you making stuff up!!

Mintball is incorrect, it was care workers who you thought had expense accounts.

And while you may not have said others should not have a pay rise, you have never been slow in condemning any other workers (especially but not exclusively those in the public sector) who may have taken industrial action in order to preserve and/or improve their working conditions and/or pay.

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:05 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Again show me where I said cleaners had expense accounts - you can't. I am still waiting for you to give evidence of where I said nobody can have an increase because I haven't had one!!

You can't because these quotes don't exist it is you making stuff up!!

I never said tat you said that cleaners had expense accounts: you claimed that homecare workers had expense accounts.

You also 'think' that Blair led a 'socialist government'.

That tells intelligent people everything they need to know.

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:23 pm  

Mintball wrote:

I never said tat you said that cleaners had expense accounts: you claimed that homecare workers had expense accounts.

You also 'think' that Blair led a 'socialist government'.

That tells intelligent people everything they need to know.

No I didn't so again prove where I said home care workers have expense accounts? What I said was home care workers would claim out of pocket expenses back - that is not the same as an expense account - shame you struggle to understand the differences.

You said Blair followed Thatcher/Major's policies - he didn't. He did what all Socialist governments do i.e. increase the size and cost of the state and increase taxation and benefits. That tells the rest of us what we need to know - pity your limited intelligence struggles to cope with such simple and basic concepts.

Now run along and show me where I said nobody should get a pay rise because I haven't had one - you seem to struggle to show us all this?

What is really a shame is you haven't got enough about you to accept you got it wrong and admit it - you are a very sad individual indeed.

A keyboard despot - sad, very sad. You need to get out more - seriously!!

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:36 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You said Blair followed Thatcher/Major's policies - he didn't.

Oh, he did. Spectacularly. In recent years the only main political party to sort of stay in the same place is the Tories, the other 2 have shifted to the right and are now occupying the same ground as the "nasty" party.

You just need to read the manifestos, it's all in there, benefit cuts (neatly called welfare reform or some other such slogan that passed a focus group), NHS privatisation, no mention of any form of renationalisation. A vote for Labour/Lib Dem is a vote for Thatcher and everything she stood for, no matter how much people try and pretend it isn't.

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:37 pm  

If you don't quit with ad hominem attacks people will be taking a rest, understand?

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:39 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Mintball is incorrect, it was care workers who you thought had expense accounts.

And while you may not have said others should not have a pay rise, you have never been slow in condemning any other workers (especially but not exclusively those in the public sector) who may have taken industrial action in order to preserve and/or improve their working conditions and/or pay.

At last somebody who can read. If some member of the chattering classes on here can show me where I said home care workers had expense accounts I will readily admit my mistake.

I don't agree with striking because it is counter-productive as we saw in Grangemouth and we saw with the miner dispute of 84/85. How is it that most non union labour seem to be able to sort out their issues without the need for industrial action yet union dominated trades industries seem to see striking as a viable tool to get what they think they are entitled to.

Maybe I am wrong but it appears to me the union is driving the strike rather than the members - the union guys will be OK they will not lose money during a strike unlike their members, its bonkers. The idea that automatic pay increases should be given out without the need for any performance improvement is a concept set in the dark ages. My wife used to work at Morrisons they give out annual pay rises based on the profitability of the company as a whole i.e. performance related pay that is individually done for each employee all 140k of them. Having a union would not get the employees anymore pay in fact it would actually hinder and most likely cost them.

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:41 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

If you don't quit with ad hominem attacks people will be taking a rest, understand?

I trust that means everyone?

Re: Asda price? : Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:43 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

Oh, he did. Spectacularly. In recent years the only main political party to sort of stay in the same place is the Tories, the other 2 have shifted to the right and are now occupying the same ground as the "nasty" party.

You just need to read the manifestos, it's all in there, benefit cuts (neatly called welfare reform or some other such slogan that passed a focus group), NHS privatisation, no mention of any form of renationalisation. A vote for Labour/Lib Dem is a vote for Thatcher and everything she stood for, no matter how much people try and pretend it isn't.

So how does huge spending on public services follow what Thatcher was doing which was the opposite i.e. reducing the size of the state?