Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:00 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Ifyou are serious, post a link to a job advert, I am sure I can find 25 applicants iF you are genuine...

Yes of course, because I have a genuine and sincere belief that all the expertise of an organisation turning over 49 million pounds a year, has missed something that an anonymous RL message board agitator can solve in half an hour.

The 100k figure is well publicised - feel free to Google it; but no, I won't be hiring you as a recruitment consultant, thanks all the same.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:34 pm  

bren2k wrote:

No "we're" not - I, however, am saying that the immigration policy is incoherent, runs counter to a strong economy and is based on nothing more than a desire to appease the new Tory base, which includes a significant number of people who are vocally anti-immigration. Sooner or later, it will butt up against their previous base - business - who will rail against the notion that they have to keep increasing wages; that means higher prices, or lower shareholder dividends, or both if increasing prices loses market share.

I am at the sharp end of this - we can't recruit people in the numbers we need for love nor money, despite a training and development spend that is 25% higher than our sector average, and paying hourly rates that are above the NLW. There is something about the nature of the work that we do, that many Brits feel is beneath them; or its too hard; or something else - because the H&S Care sector is currently running at 100k vacancies and rising, so it's definitely not just us. I would love to be able to recruit a few hundred migrant workers who want to make a life here - it would solve most of my problems.

I'm not sure where you get your information about the quality of L&M in the UK; it's not my experience, but I willingly admit that my experience is limited to the places/sectors I've worked in. There are always examples of people who have been promoted to the levels of their own incompetence - Priti Patel is a good one - but I don't see it as an endemic issue - and it has little to do with the subject under discussion.

I disagree - we can't recruit at the lowest level because we cannot present a vision of what the future will be and more importantly back it up with hard facts and positive examples. Why is that we are great at innovation but we cannot turn innovation into big numbers - because we don't have the management expertise to deliver it.

Surely your industry would fall into the emergency category whereby rules would be relaxed?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:40 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Yes of course, because I have a genuine and sincere belief that all the expertise of an organisation turning over 49 million pounds a year, has missed something that an anonymous RL message board agitator can solve in half an hour.

The 100k figure is well publicised - feel free to Google it; but no, I won't be hiring you as a recruitment consultant, thanks all the same.

If your business turnover £50m - which is similar to mine then you don't have anything like 100k vacancies - as the cost of that number at the new minimum wage of c18k would 1.8bn - so you can only be looking to recruit <100 probably <50.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:34 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I disagree - we can't recruit at the lowest level because we cannot present a vision of what the future will be and more importantly back it up with hard facts and positive examples. Why is that we are great at innovation but we cannot turn innovation into big numbers - because we don't have the management expertise to deliver it.

Surely your industry would fall into the emergency category whereby rules would be relaxed?

Interesting conclusion drawn there Sal.

I would suggest that the opposite is true.

We have the brains, innovation and skills required but, there are far cheaper labour sources elsewhere in the world to turn ideas into "products", leaving our friends in the "East" to actually produce so many of the new products, something that the UK cannot hope to compete with.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:35 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

If your business turnover £50m - which is similar to mine then you don't have anything like 100k vacancies - as the cost of that number at the new minimum wage of c18k would 1.8bn - so you can only be looking to recruit <100 probably <50.

I wrote:

because the H&S Care sector is currently running at 100k vacancies and rising.

Because detail matters.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:12 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Interesting conclusion drawn there Sal.

I would suggest that the opposite is true.

We have the brains, innovation and skills required but, there are far cheaper labour sources elsewhere in the world to turn ideas into "products", leaving our friends in the "East" to actually produce so many of the new products, something that the UK cannot hope to compete with.

How do economies like Germany many to have such a strong manufacturing base?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:14 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Because detail matters.

So how many vacancies do you actually have?

[Mild Rover]

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:49 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

How do economies like Germany many to have such a strong manufacturing base?

Traditionally they have had different industrial relations, with better collaboration between workers and management. I have some personal theories around the cultural reasons behind that, but I’d admit that they’re speculative. They also cover relative performance of England and Germany in international football tournaments and the ongoing failure of English football managers to win the Premier League, or even really compete for it.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:13 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

How do economies like Germany many to have such a strong manufacturing base?

Firstly, they didnt have to undergo the vandalism of Thatcher, secondly Enginners are highly respected and finally, apprenticeship training is valued as much as a university based education.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:34 am  

silver2 wrote:

Firstly, they didnt have to undergo the vandalism of Thatcher, secondly Enginners are highly respected and finally, apprenticeship training is valued as much as a university based education.

You are delusional if you think Thatcher caused the issues of manufacturing in this country - it was long gone well before she came to power. Labour under Wilson and Callaghan allowed union power to decimate manufacturing in this country. This along with poor management saw production move to economies that embrace investment in development of employees. It is no surprise that the examples of world class manufacturing in this country come from businesses with foreign owners who have encouraged the culture and practises of the motherland.