Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:48 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

It does seem a rather extreme response as Boris has only been in power for 4 months. Hardly had time enough to be hated.

Not like Thatcher.

Now that was a death worth celebrating with a few drinks.

Not as much as Blair and Brown. I hope they shuffle off this mortal coil on the same day.... My birthday... 2 celebrations in one

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:57 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Maybe your friends the nurses, train drivers, miners and loads of public sector workers will reconvene to protest against the HS2, upgrades and new railways and improved transport links in/to the north, new hospitals/ levelling in the country.......... when Boris gets back to work.

HS2 only serves one purpose, to make Birmingham London's biggest commuter city. The money will run out once that has been achieved.

The only thing I'd trust the current shower of Tories to do, where levellling in the North is concerned, involves bulldozers. JCB ones, probably.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:59 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

I went to the anti poll tax demonstrations in London . I too found London was packed with our finest. I met nurses, train drivers, miners and loads of public sector workers

You still using your tax avoiding umbrella scheme ,typical socialist do as i say ,not as i do

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:30 pm  

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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:59 pm  

Anyone else see Priti Patel make Diane Abbott look like Carol Vorderman tonight?

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:28 am  

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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:13 am  

Strinket wrote:

Anyone else see Priti Patel make Diane Abbott look like Carol Vorderman tonight?

Indeed

Patel and Hancock pretty much blaming frontline staff for using too much PPE.
True colours shining through.

The current government will NEVER admit any failure or wrong doing.

The procurement of the equipment needed here must be extremely difficult but, rather than admitting this, instead, they like to quote numbers in their 100,000's of how many pairs of gloves and aprons have been sourced.
None of this matters if the front line staff havent got protective gloves or scrubs to use.

As I say, it's an almost impossible task, especially when the bulk of the disposable items are usually bought from China and aside from the logistical issues of moving stuff halfway around the world and EVERY other country needing the exact same equipment, China too has been on lockdown.

A little bit more honesty would certainlt be sensible and not pretending that this is in any way the fault of the people who need the gear.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:50 pm  

Interesting that this morning on Andrew Marr, Sir Jeremy Farrar, Head of the Wellcome Trust and a Govt and WHO adviser said that mass testing and tracking down and isolation of infected individuals and their contacts was the way to go to reduce the number of cases and that finding effective medication that is allready on the market would be the best treatment in the short term as production of a vaccine would take much longer.

You have to question the decisions of Govt ministers. Advisers are there to advise but Govt ministers don't necessarily need to follow that advice. Furthermore, I would guess that the advisers gave several scenarios ranging from mass testing with a total lockdown to just leaving the pandemic to run its course without intervention. I guess that the government then balanced deaths vs economy prior to making their decisions.

What has become apparent is that globalisation has left us without the capability to mass produce cheap items of PPE as this is now done mainly in China and that the Govt had no effective emergency plan due to running down the NHS budget , public health budget, privatisation/abolition of Govt agencies and not keeping adequate emergency stocks of PPE.

Hopefully this will see increased funding for the NHS in the future and more manufacturing jobs kept in the UK rather than increasing globalisation that has seen these manufacturing jobs move to China with its cheap labour and lack of workers/human rights.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:15 pm  

dr_feelgood wrote:

Interesting that this morning on Andrew Marr, Sir Jeremy Farrar, Head of the Wellcome Trust and a Govt and WHO adviser said that mass testing and tracking down and isolation of infected individuals and their contacts was the way to go to reduce the number of cases and that finding effective medication that is allready on the market would be the best treatment in the short term as production of a vaccine would take much longer.

You have to question the decisions of Govt ministers. Advisers are there to advise but Govt ministers don't necessarily need to follow that advice. Furthermore, I would guess that the advisers gave several scenarios ranging from mass testing with a total lockdown to just leaving the pandemic to run its course without intervention. I guess that the government then balanced deaths vs economy prior to making their decisions.

What has become apparent is that globalisation has left us without the capability to mass produce cheap items of PPE as this is now done mainly in China and that the Govt had no effective emergency plan due to running down the NHS budget , public health budget, privatisation/abolition of Govt agencies and not keeping adequate emergency stocks of PPE.

Hopefully this will see increased funding for the NHS in the future and more manufacturing jobs kept in the UK rather than increasing globalisation that has seen these manufacturing jobs move to China with its cheap labour and lack of workers/human rights.

On the subject of government advisors, it was clear from the start that, Boris Johnson chose to flank himself with 2 health experts, so that he couldn't be blamed if things didn't go to plan.
Quite amazing that "we will go with the science" on this one but, on EVERY other aspect of government, they do as they please.
The scientists and experts on climate change, still remain largely ignored and if they are correct, the effects of the world heating up could be equally as catastrophic, albeit, not necessarily in the UK.

The UK is on course to suffer the highest number of deaths in Europe, despite Germany and France having larger populations, Germany seemingly getting through this rather better than the UK.

Lets see how it all unfolds and hope that the peak is getting very close and that at some point in the next few weeks, the light at the end of the tunnel will get a little brighter.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:25 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

On the subject of government advisors, it was clear from the start that, Boris Johnson chose to flank himself with 2 health experts, so that he couldn't be blamed if things didn't go to plan.
Quite amazing that "we will go with the science" on this one but, on EVERY other aspect of government, they do as they please.
The scientists and experts on climate change, still remain largely ignored and if they are correct, the effects of the world heating up could be equally as catastrophic, albeit, not necessarily in the UK.

The UK is on course to suffer the highest number of deaths in Europe, despite Germany and France having larger populations, Germany seemingly getting through this rather better than the UK.

Lets see how it all unfolds and hope that the peak is getting very close and that at some point in the next few weeks, the light at the end of the tunnel will get a little brighter.

Out of curiosity have you ever agreed with or offered praise for anything the conservatives 'do' ?