Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:00 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I would expect the public sector to be weak because its full of people who aren't employable in the private sector or who have been found wanting when working in the private sector e.g. Dido which is why they end up where they do. The idea of an increased state full of these incompetents doesn't bare thinking about

Still churning out this old lie huh.

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:07 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No deal Brexit - as was always going to be the case. Perhaps if you had the likes of John Caudwell people who are used to negotiating big deals doing the negotiating rather than some inappropriate civil servants things would have be better?

The government has ultimate responsibility and will judged in 4 years time on their performance - but blame needs to be apportioned correctly. If civil servants have stepped up to the mark or private contractors then they need to exposed so the public can get a true picture.

I would expect the public sector to be weak because its full of people who aren't employable in the private sector or who have been found wanting when working in the private sector e.g. Dido which is why they end up where they do. The idea of an increased state full of these incompetents doesn't bare thinking about

The interest in 4 years time will be to see just how many "friends of the party" made a bloody fortune from the pandemic.
Contracts handed out like sweets to various "companies" that had no previous experience in the field but, still got the gig, which will go some way to explaining the current shambles.

Btw, are you happy with the numbers of University students who have tested positive ??
A staged return or, maybe a delayed return would have been the sensible way to have students return to their studies.

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:16 am  

ColD wrote:

When did the people running schools take an elongated break

Seems to me as soon as the schools closed down the volume of education was significantly reduced for the vast majority of students outside of public schools. That suggests a vast number of teachers had significant extra time on their hands - would you not agree?

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:59 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Seems to me as soon as the schools closed down the volume of education was significantly reduced for the vast majority of students outside of public schools. That suggests a vast number of teachers had significant extra time on their hands - would you not agree?

Sounds like an enforced break. "Elongated" infers that there was a choice ?

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:02 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Seems to me as soon as the schools closed down the volume of education was significantly reduced for the vast majority of students outside of public schools. That suggests a vast number of teachers had significant extra time on their hands - would you not agree?

Difficult to maintain same teaching standards obviously, but looking to maintain online teaching both individually and groups to maintain the current curriculum as much as possible is no easy task.

In addition to the above, due to most schools being of different size and layout there is/was no set structure for the return- so along with trying to maintain day to day teaching they had to plan, propose and get agreed the class teaching structure under the new Covid rules - pupils didn’t just rock up at the beginning of September, an aweful lot of planning goes into trying to make it work, and even now schools as a whole and individual lessons change daily, whole years being sent home for 14 days so different online teaching techniques required, and completely different structure for those who do attend school.

No easy task - they most certainly have not been twiddling there thumbs for the last few months, and of course dealing with the change in pupils mental attitude to boot - sure a lot of people have the same concept as you but it couldn’t be further from the truth

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:00 pm  

ColD wrote:

Difficult to maintain same teaching standards obviously, but looking to maintain online teaching both individually and groups to maintain the current curriculum as much as possible is no easy task.

In addition to the above, due to most schools being of different size and layout there is/was no set structure for the return- so along with trying to maintain day to day teaching they had to plan, propose and get agreed the class teaching structure under the new Covid rules - pupils didn’t just rock up at the beginning of September, an aweful lot of planning goes into trying to make it work, and even now schools as a whole and individual lessons change daily, whole years being sent home for 14 days so different online teaching techniques required, and completely different structure for those who do attend school.

No easy task - they most certainly have not been twiddling there thumbs for the last few months, and of course dealing with the change in pupils mental attitude to boot - sure a lot of people have the same concept as you but it couldn’t be further from the truth

Dont worry about Sal, he used to suggest that NHS staff were lazy and overpaid and then, just like the Hypocrites "running the country, he was on his door step every Thursday, applauding their efforts.

[Bullseye]

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:11 am  

PHE as it is now is a creation of the Conservatives following the 2010 Health and Social Care Act. It's previous incarnation the HPA was funded better and better able to respond to incidents as well a more capable in taking part in planning for incidents.

The 2010 Act drove a bulldozer through the health and social care system to create a byzantine system that is near unworkable, particularly under stresses like covid.

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:53 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Sounds like an enforced break. "Elongated" infers that there was a choice ?

Are you saying they were forced to only offer minimal teaching between March and September?

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:57 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Dont worry about Sal, he used to suggest that NHS staff were lazy and overpaid and then, just like the Hypocrites "running the country, he was on his door step every Thursday, applauding their efforts.

I have never said clinical staff are lazy and overpaid - show me where I said that?

As I said before I didn't clap on a Thursday - why, because my father's urgent heart surgery was cancelled - fortunately the private sector was able to help out!!

Seems to me you struggle with both reading and comprehension!!

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:59 am  

Bullseye wrote:

PHE as it is now is a creation of the Conservatives following the 2010 Health and Social Care Act. It's previous incarnation the HPA was funded better and better able to respond to incidents as well a more capable in taking part in planning for incidents.

The 2010 Act drove a bulldozer through the health and social care system to create a byzantine system that is near unworkable, particularly under stresses like covid.

Was the HPA the body in charge of the huge IT project in the NHS that ultimately came nothing other than wasting billions of tax payers money?