Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:23 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It does look increasingly likely that The UK wants to retain access to the EU single market and whilst this would have to be accepted by all parties (the UK and the EU27), this would indeed give us an excellent opportunity going forward.
I've no idea what theis does to the "Brexit means Brexit" rhetoric that we've heard for the last few months.
However, it would hopefully prevent the economy dropping off the proverbial cliff edge, when May finally triggers article 50.

Wanting to ( obviously ) , and getting it are 2 very different things , and Similarily I doubt the main EU exporters to the UK want to lose their sales to us

So I can see a fixed charge being agreed for us to retain access

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:21 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Wanting to ( obviously ) , and getting it are 2 very different things , and Similarily I doubt the main EU exporters to the UK want to lose their sales to us

So I can see a fixed charge being agreed for us to retain access

IF we can retain access to the single market, we could end up "having our cake and eating it", it will be interesting how the EU"& feel about it.
If the UK is successful in achieving this, I think there could be a rush of other nations wanting the same deal, which could see the end of the EU as we know it or, at the very least a substantial change in how it operates.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:26 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It does look increasingly likely that The UK wants to retain access to the EU single market and whilst this would have to be accepted by all parties (the UK and the EU27), this would indeed give us an excellent opportunity going forward.
I've no idea what theis does to the "Brexit means Brexit" rhetoric that we've heard for the last few months.
However, it would hopefully prevent the economy dropping off the proverbial cliff edge, when May finally triggers article 50.

The EUs economy is about to drop off a cliff edge. If people united behind tough Brexit negotiations we could have our cake and eat it - they would pay us to remain part of single maker with no free movement!

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:32 am  

All these scribbled notes, speeches, etc are simply disinformation so the EU doesn't know what the UK government is aiming for, to cover backsides if negotiations do not go as well as hoped and to take the sting out of the Remainers' panic. Working a treat at present. If Italy now goes for a referendum on leaving the Eurozone at around the time we trigger Art. 50 they'll give us anything we ask for and offer substantial reform to appease Italy. If the Euro fails there is one economy that really suffers - Germanies. They will not allow that to happen and if it looks likely they reintroduce the DM and leave France, et al to rot.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:36 am  

Dally wrote:

The EUs economy is about to drop off a cliff edge. If people united behind tough Brexit negotiations we could have our cake and eat it - they would pay us to remain part of single maker with no free movement!

Why

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:16 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

That's fine , except NOBODY , I mean NOBODY , has suggested any EU nationals already in the UK will be repatriated , so WHY are YOU suggesting they will ?

Especially not those people running round threatening people in the immediate aftermath of the vote saying "we won, you'll be going home", and pushing the government to make the announcement that there was actually no change to the status of EU people already here?

How do you tell the difference between someone who is already here and is coming back after popping to his home country for the weekend and a new EU person coming here for the first time?

As regards the cheap labour market for farmers , so I assume you are happy to see essentially slave labour from other countries working over here ? , how very noble , how very ' European '

Not happy, no, but if resident workers won't do it, who will? We all like cheap veg and the current situation is better than letting it rot unpicked in the fields. If consumers were prepared to pay a decent price farmers might not need "slave" labour and we wouldn't need foreign workers to pick veg.

Look at the situation in Lithuania ATM , virtually all their Tax paying workers are/have left , leaving the place full of the very young and the very old , joining the EU is killing their country

So stop using the project fear to try to make a point

You're right. I should make some old rubbish up and write it on a bus as "Project Truth"

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:49 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Especially not those people running round threatening people in the immediate aftermath of the vote saying "we won, you'll be going home", and pushing the government to make the announcement that there was actually no change to the status of EU people already here?

How do you tell the difference between someone who is already here and is coming back after popping to his home country for the weekend and a new EU person coming here for the first time?

Not happy, no, but if resident workers won't do it, who will? We all like cheap veg and the current situation is better than letting it rot unpicked in the fields. If consumers were prepared to pay a decent price farmers might not need "slave" labour and we wouldn't need foreign workers to pick veg.

You're right. I should make some old rubbish up and write it on a bus as "Project Truth"

By ' Nobody ' , I meant politically , not your average big mouthed moron who was already liable to racially abuse

You issue a visa

Yes we'll have to pay more for our food

Read up on Lithuania if you like

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:22 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

If consumers were prepared to pay a decent price

Not necessarily the customer's fault. The supermarkets are mostly to blame in all this. When they happily sell eggs and milk as loss leaders it's a pretty sorry state of affairs. Milk pricing in particular has become a race to the bottom and it's purely to entice customers in to spend more on their way through the store to the milk. A couple of years ago Morrisons were selling a pint for as little as 24p. When you know about the work and processes involved in making that pint you have to wonder why the farmers even bother! Fair play to Morrisons, they now offer an increased cost milk where they guarantee that the farmer gets a fair deal. Although by doing this they're pretty much admitting that if you buy the cheap stuff they're not!

My in laws are three generations of dairy farmers so I've seen first hand just how much damage the supermarket's irresponsible pricing can do. Just by knocking 2p off a pint of milk can cost a farmer his living wage over the course of a year. Imagine being told you're going to work for a year and that work would be worthless because your product was being used as a loss leader to get the customer to spend their money on something else.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:24 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

Not necessarily the customer's fault. The supermarkets are mostly to blame in all this. When they happily sell eggs and milk as loss leaders it's a pretty sorry state of affairs. Milk pricing in particular has become a race to the bottom and it's purely to entice customers in to spend more on their way through the store to the milk. A couple of years ago Morrisons were selling a pint for as little as 24p. When you know about the work and processes involved in making that pint you have to wonder why the farmers even bother! Fair play to Morrisons, they now offer an increased cost milk where they guarantee that the farmer gets a fair deal. Although by doing this they're pretty much admitting that if you buy the cheap stuff they're not!

My in laws are three generations of dairy farmers so I've seen first hand just how much damage the supermarket's irresponsible pricing can do. Just by knocking 2p off a pint of milk can cost a farmer his living wage over the course of a year. Imagine being told you're going to work for a year and that work would be worthless because your product was being used as a loss leader to get the customer to spend their money on something else.

Capitalism and GREED at work, It's what people keep voting for and then whinge when it dosn't seem to suit.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:42 pm  

UK out of the EU by 2018