Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:50 pm  

Everything will start to get interesting in the next couple of months, with November looking like everyone will have to reach some agreement and is anyone going to see the Brexit that they thought that they had voted for ?
Ireland is still a right old mess and could yet be Mrs May's undoing.
Tory leadership challengers are starting to mill around like the field for the Aintree Grand National before the start and we now seem to have more Tory rebels than "believers".
As Brexit gets ever closer, it will be interesting to see who is leading the Torys and who is leading the country when we finally wave goodbye.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:20 pm  

We've seen plenty already, but I predict a few more 'heads on sticks' before, during, and after March 2019.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:03 pm  

What a pitiful position we're in!

So basically we've got May's Chequers fiasco or Mogg & Co's No Deal nirvana.

I'm truly sick of the whole debacle & a small part of me actually wants the latter, just to see pain & suffering inflicted on the idiots who wanted out.

But what do I know, it's all going to be rosy, in the future when all's well.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:26 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

What a pitiful position we're in!

So basically we've got May's Chequers fiasco or Mogg & Co's No Deal nirvana.

I'm truly sick of the whole debacle & a small part of me actually wants the latter, just to see pain & suffering inflicted on the idiots who wanted out.

But what do I know, it's all going to be rosy, in the future when all's well.

We haven't got the Chequers proposal as the EU have rejected it. The options are Canada deal, Norway deal, or No deal. They were always the options. Any other proposals from anyone are doomed.

Unless somehow we end up staying in.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:15 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

We haven't got the Chequers proposal as the EU have rejected it. The options are Canada deal, Norway deal, or No deal. They were always the options. Any other proposals from anyone are doomed.

Unless somehow we end up staying in.

Whilst losing the will to live regarding Brexit, I thought she had stated that the Chequers proposal was the only plan on the table, other than the dreaded "No Deal" of course?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:46 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Whilst losing the will to live regarding Brexit, I thought she had stated that the Chequers proposal was the only plan on the table, other than the dreaded "No Deal" of course?

Indeed it is but, I think there will be a plan B in the next couple of weeks.

I still find it incredible that a decent plan wasnt made 18 months ago, instead of 2 months since.
We should have had a clear strategy and plan before the start of negotiations and not left ourselves scratching our head for ideas when the deadline is upon us.
Our negotiations have looked amateurish and chaotic from day 1 and unless there are some huge concessions on both sides, "no deal" looks ever more likely.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:02 am  

The best and only hope now is that Mrs May persists with her schoolmaam posturing around the Chequers deal, which is and always was impossible for the EU 27 to accept, and it triggers a GE; Mr Corbyn sweeps in, extends the deadline for Article 50 to allow further negotiations, then has a People's Vote, with Remain included as an option.

Then we can repair and rebuild, and never speak of this again.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:16 am  

bren2k wrote:

The best and only hope now is that Mrs May persists with her schoolmaam posturing around the Chequers deal, which is and always was impossible for the EU 27 to accept, and it triggers a GE; Mr Corbyn sweeps in, extends the deadline for Article 50 to allow further negotiations, then has a People's Vote, with Remain included as an option.

Then we can repair and rebuild, and never speak of this again.

The issue will never go away and IF the Tories hadnt been so afraid of the Mr Farage, we would have all carried on without the referendum, fighting to improve the world from within a powerful trading bloc.
We are likely to become the pariah's of Western Europe, like deprived kids peering in through the window of the local sweet shop.
It will be really interesting to see all the magical new deals made with countries outside of the EU though

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:29 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The issue will never go away and IF the Tories hadnt been so afraid of the Mr Farage, we would have all carried on without the referendum, fighting to improve the world from within a powerful trading bloc.
We are likely to become the pariah's of Western Europe, like deprived kids peering in through the window of the local sweet shop.
It will be really interesting to see all the magical new deals made with countries outside of the EU though

Everything you say is correct, but May is gaining huge sympathy thanks to her odious friends in the right wing gutter press playing the race & xenophobia card blaming the nasty forriners for not meeting her half way despite the EU's position being consistent on the key issues.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:47 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Everything you say is correct, but May is gaining huge sympathy thanks to her odious friends in the right wing gutter press playing the race & xenophobia card blaming the nasty forriners for not meeting her half way despite the EU's position being consistent on the key issues.

The thing with the whole Brexit negotiations is that it will only come together at the last minute and it's difficult to read exactly what is going on.
Much of the "noise" from both sides is political posturing with bluff and counter bluff.
The one certainty is that we would have been far better placed working out our aims before negotiations started.
It's bloody ridiculous that the cabinet only worked out it's plan Chequers a few weeks ago, over 2 years since the referendum and all because Mr Cameron was so arrogant as to believe that the UK would vote "remain".
They should have had a plan for both outcomes.