Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:57 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We don't hear much about it now - race violence seems to have returned to usual levels. I would suggest there is significant amounts of inter-immigrant violence - how much of that was in your 41%

The quality of the MPs has everything to do with us leaving the EU - the vote was as much a protest vote against the establishment as anything. You have arrogant Labour MPs David Lamy who has come out and said he knows best, can the vote. No wonder these guys are so despised.

The majority of those who voted wanted us to leave the EU if that doesn't happen on a technicality of the law then democracy will take a blow and it eventually back fire.

Back to point 1.

Again, really ??
So you think that all of the racists and bigots that, following the referendum vote, thought it was ok to tell people to "go home", have suddenly realised the error of their ways and stopped, WOW.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:49 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Back to point 1.

Again, really ??
So you think that all of the racists and bigots that, following the referendum vote, thought it was ok to tell people to "go home", have suddenly realised the error of their ways and stopped, WOW.

No I don't those people were racists/bigots before the vote - the vote didn't suddenly give them clarity of thought and purpose.

The vote gave them a platform for a few weeks that has gone away - business as usual.

I see quite the opposite a focus on making sure those already here are able to remain after we exit the EU - much greater ground swell of opinion to deliver on that than those wanting to send them all home.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:50 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No I don't those people were racists/bigots before the vote - the vote didn't suddenly give them clarity of thought and purpose.

The vote gave them a platform for a few weeks that has gone away - business as usual.

I see quite the opposite a focus on making sure those already here are able to remain after we exit the EU - much greater ground swell of opinion to deliver on that than those wanting to send them all home.

Spot on.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:41 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The quality of the MPs has everything to do with us leaving the EU - the vote was as much a protest vote against the establishment as anything. You have arrogant Labour MPs David Lamy who has come out and said he knows best, can the vote. No wonder these guys are so despised.

The majority of those who voted wanted us to leave the EU if that doesn't happen on a technicality of the law then democracy will take a blow and it eventually back fire.

You're kind of floating a mixed message here.

On the one hand your saying people voted to leave the E.U. as a protest against the establishment, then it's about wanting to leave the E.U.

Either way the majority of those that voted will get their wish, but they still voted the same way as a member of U.K.I.P.

Respect.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:27 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

You're kind of floating a mixed message here.

On the one hand your saying people voted to leave the E.U. as a protest against the establishment, then it's about wanting to leave the E.U.

Either way the majority of those that voted will get their wish, but they still voted the same way as a member of U.K.I.P.

Respect.

17.4million voted to leave for a combination of different reasons and many of these had made their minds up well before the referendum and include voters from all the different parties. This number could well have been higher but for the establishment orchestrated Project Fear campaign which must have had some success as the Leave side never offered any positive reasons to stay and the EU is crumbling before our eyes.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:41 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

17.4million voted to leave for a combination of different reasons and many of these had made their minds up well before the referendum and include voters from all the different parties. This number could well have been higher but for the establishment orchestrated Project Fear campaign which must have had some success as the Leave side never offered any positive reasons to stay and the EU is crumbling before our eyes.

Equally, the figure could have been a whole lot lower , had it not been for the lies trotted out by Farage's team.
We're all waiting for the cash injection into the NHS that will never materialise (certainly ano as a result of any savings on EU contributions).
Also, had the remain team not used Cameron and Osborne, two good reasons for voting "the other way".
Project Fear vs Project fingers crossed

Most of us are still waiting for the good news to come.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:07 pm  

The panic surrounding Brexit is simply inane. At the end of the day the UK will sink or swim on its own merits and by selling goods / services the rest of the world wants to buy. Being in or out of the EU will make no difference to that. Arguably we are better placed out, especially as we were not members of the Eurozone and therefore had virtually no influence inside the EU.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:21 pm  

Dally wrote:

The panic surrounding Brexit is simply inane. At the end of the day the UK will sink or swim on its own merits and by selling goods / services the rest of the world wants to buy. Being in or out of the EU will make no difference to that. Arguably we are better placed out, especially as we were not members of the Eurozone and therefore had virtually no influence inside the EU.

You may be right but, unless you have a crystal ball (something which the UK government could do with) and can tell people what is likely to happen with the imports and exports to and from the EU and can guarantee the status of the millions of citizens who will be directly affected by whatever decision is finally agreed, your statement is just on of pure optimism, without anything to back it up.
I keep hoping to win the lottery but, it hasn't happened yet.

Of course, longre term, say 10 years down the line, we will all have found a new level and status within the world but, NOBODY can say whether this will be vetter or worse than it is now.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:53 pm  

Well, at least Ian Brady is cheesed off with the High Court ruling. (There's some top folk advocating Brexit aren't there)

Murderer Brady also made a shocking attack on the High Court’s ruling that the British Government must get Parliament's approval before proceeding with Brexit talks.

He wrote: “Those three public school judges who dredged up a law from the seventeenth century to obstruct the people's vote for Brexit, additionally exemplify the corrupt establishment, and the myth of a politically independent judiciary.”

Every cloud and all that - except for a mushroom cloud of course.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:41 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Equally, the figure could have been a whole lot lower , had it not been for the lies trotted out by Farage's team.
We're all waiting for the cash injection into the NHS that will never materialise (certainly ano as a result of any savings on EU contributions).
Also, had the remain team not used Cameron and Osborne, two good reasons for voting "the other way".
Project Fear vs Project fingers crossed

Most of us are still waiting for the good news to come.

The red bus was nothing to do with Farage and you will have to wait for the good news until after we have left as we are stuck with the crumbling union until then.