Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:45 pm  

tigertot wrote:

We can get French wine from India?

I wouldn't think so never checked but I did say equivalent.

I believe there are other countries though outside of the EU that produce wine.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:46 pm  

glow wrote:

I believe there are other countries though outside of the EU that produce wine.

Yes they are on sale everywhere in the UK.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:53 pm  

glow wrote:

I wouldn't think so never checked but I did say equivalent.

I believe there are other countries though outside of the EU that produce wine.

You can buy Pinot Noir from central otago at Sainsburys cheaper than I can here... Same with lamb at M&S..... Cheaper for you than us here..... Because of the trade deals with the EU that NZ has...... Once you hard brexit you lose that discounted rate.... Prices rise......so you buy British.... Which for the lamb is fine.... But not the red wine

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:59 pm  

Call Me God wrote:

You can buy Pinot Noir from central otago at Sainsburys cheaper than I can here... Same with lamb at M&S..... Cheaper for you than us here..... Because of the trade deals with the EU that NZ has...... Once you hard brexit you lose that discounted rate.... Prices rise......so you buy British.... Which for the lamb is fine.... But not the red wine

I think you will find we will get better trade deals than the 450 million people remaining in the EU because we are British.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:10 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I think you will find we will get better trade deals than the 450 million people remaining in the EU because we are British.

Jolly Good....
Got to look after the heart of the commonwealth and all that...... Colonials will save us.....

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:16 pm  

Call Me God wrote:

Concerned maybe but they are the #1 trading bloc on the planet and have far greater bargaining power than a single country. It can take up to a decade to negotiate a trade deal with a friendly country..... Much longer if you want favourable terms..... The moment a hard brexit happens UK products get hit with major tarrifs whilst arseholes will Always buy BMWs regardless of the cost.....and as for Spanish fruit...... Where else are you going to get it from?


Edit. On the simplistic idea of taxing German car companies..... Did anyone see the Donald trump v BMW on John Oliver? Trump at a rally said was going to tax BMW...... The rally was 100km away from the largest BMW plant in the world employing 10,000 Americans..... Simplistic politics got you to vote leave...... Real politics is giving you the butt hurt

I didn’t I voted to stay.

But now believe we should just get on with it, and until the EU feels we are getting serious by negotiating with other non EU countries they hold all the cards, I’ve just had quick look at the label on my Hi Viz jacket it says made in China, no doubt imported because the EU has a trade agreement with China.

Well I’m assuming someone in the government has a number for Mr China ring him up and ask him does he now want to agree the same or improve a trade deal direct with us? The EU may spit its dummy out with you but we’re not just looking at Hi Viz jackets we could be looking at steel imports, what fruit and veg do you grow…. Oh and do you make French wine?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:26 pm  

I believe China & EU trade 1 Billion Euros worth a day. Trade deals can take 10 years to negotiate. Can you explain why China will give better deals with a desperate little cold island stuck out in the North Sea?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:37 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I believe China & EU trade 1 Billion Euros worth a day. Trade deals can take 10 years to negotiate. Can you explain why China will give better deals with a desperate little cold island stuck out in the North Sea?

Because you gave Hong Kong back To Them?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:24 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Indeed and it's still on going.
Remember Mrs May's mantra "strong & stable", what a load of nonsense.

And yet Labour are still doing their best to make the Tories look strong & stable. Does anyone actually know where Labour stand on Brexit, apart from trotting out promises they can't keep...and then contradicting one another?

"We want a General Election and we can negotiate Brexit" says Corbyn.

And how in the hell are they going to fund all these additional free child places? I assume they haven't actually consulted any nursery owners, who are finding free child places are a disaster.

Call Me God wrote:

As an ex-pat who has no real interest in the results of this fiasco (other than the sale of my last property in London before it happens), here's my tenpenneth's worth.

The majority....as in the most people who voted, who voted leave voted that way due to a heavy media bias, latent racism, anti-muslim rhetoric, false claims about revenue to the EU and basically because they were swept along on a jingoistic wave of Rule Britannia.
The Minority...as in the fewer people who voted remain did so because they didn't really want change, didn't believe the lies and were slightly ashamed of some of the rhetoric from the right waving Union flags, but most of all liked their lives and were't going to be fooled in blaming the state of the economy on johnny foreigner.

<snip>

The solution? I hear Canada is quite a nice place to live...

Well done on rolling out all the cliches.

I voted out because as even the most ardent Remainer will admit, the EU needs significant reform. Most sensible Remainers will admit freedom of movement is a bonkers idea and the protectionist nature of the Customs Union/Single Market has its faults, and the ultimate goal of the EU is highly questionable.

The key problem is that the EU simply WILL NOT CHANGE.

We're dealing with a leadership group of mostly Germanics who all blindly adhere to the ideology of ever closer union across every facet of our lives, and simply will not admit change is needed. As even the many Germans I work with will admit, a Germanic admitting they might be wrong is as rare as hen's teeth. Cameron did his best, other nations have pleaded for reform - but it won't happen.

Make no mistake - they want a Federal Europe, an EU Army, absolute political and economic union and more and more countries in the cartel. Turkey will join eventually, although that's been put back a decade or two thanks to Erdogan. They don't believe in the nation state or national identity and don't care about the damage done on the road to their goal, or the fact that their blanket economic ideology, freedom of movement and the Euro across such disparate countries was never going to work and has done untold damage to the Mediterranean nations, resulting in mass uncontrolled migration from Southern and Eastern Europe to the UK, France, the Germanic areas and Scandinavia. And people still think this is a good thing.

The EU have predictably played hardball and shown their true colours many times during the Brexit process - partly due to its clunky inflexible structure, but also due to the nature of its leaders. I've always been confident of a deal to the benefit of all parties, but I'll admit I have doubts given the EU's refusal to move on many issues. So be it, if it's a no deal, life goes on. I'd sooner be out.

As I've said all along, either way we'll be in for short-term pain for long-term gain. Our economy will take a hit but as any sensible economist will tell you - economies are flexible and ours will bounce back. We've been through some awful recessions, one of the worst being since 2007, and we bounce back each and every time.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:47 pm  

Call Me God wrote:

Concerned maybe but they are the #1 trading bloc on the planet and have far greater bargaining power than a single country. It can take up to a decade to negotiate a trade deal with a friendly country..... Much longer if you want favourable terms..... The moment a hard brexit happens UK products get hit with major tarrifs whilst arseholes will Always buy BMWs regardless of the cost.....and as for Spanish fruit...... Where else are you going to get it from?


Edit. On the simplistic idea of taxing German car companies..... Did anyone see the Donald trump v BMW on John Oliver? Trump at a rally said was going to tax BMW...... The rally was 100km away from the largest BMW plant in the world employing 10,000 Americans..... Simplistic politics got you to vote leave...... Real politics is giving you the butt hurt

As a fairly senior person at VW/Bentley said to me at their Crewe plant a while ago, if there are damaging tariffs in place that will impact sales vs other manufacturers who are already well established in the UK, the simple solution is to establish end-to-end supply chains in the UK and build their cars here.

No tariffs and more jobs. Wonderful.