President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:31 pm  

Remember that famous phrase he campaigned on - "change you can believe in"?


Apart from Medicare (which benefits certain Corporate interests as much as it helps the poor) what's changed?

Guantanamo is still open (and the inmates there have been on hunger strike for more than 100 days).

Drone attacks still killing civilians around the world.

Financial fraudsters still getting away with manipulating the markets.

Now to cap it all he's going to send U.S weaponry to the 'freedom fighters' in Syria, the ones who openly support Al-Qaeda, torture and kill just as much as the Asssad regime and plant car bombs that kill dozens of civilians in Damascus on a weekly basis.

He is nothing but a fraud and a charlatan and anybody on the 'left' still supporting him needs their head examined.

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:43 pm  

Anybody on the Left should bloody well support him or you'll let the maniacal, looneys of the US Right in to power.

To dismiss the healthcare reforms he managed to get through is to fundamentally misunderstand US politics.

As for Syria, what do you think the US should do?
There's only a few options -
1. Do nothing
2. Sanctions
3. No fly zone
4. Arm certain rebel groups
5. Air bombardment
6. Invasion

Which one is best?

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:30 pm  

War crimes IMO, backing terrorists against a head of state, whom, had previously done arms deals with the good ole us of a.

Long term goal is a puppet American government in the middle east. Note Iraq and Afghanistan and how peaceful those countries are...

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:57 pm  

Him wrote:

... As for Syria, what do you think the US should do?
There's only a few options -
1. Do nothing
2. Sanctions
3. No fly zone
4. Arm certain rebel groups
5. Air bombardment
6. Invasion

Which one is best?

You haven't mentioned the UN.

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:21 pm  

CNN are reporting that the rebels executed a 14-year-old boy in front of a crowd of people for 'insulting the prophet'. This is not a group of people we should be giving more weapons to.

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:23 pm  

I agree with large parts of both of the first two posts, by the way. Obama has been a huge disappointment, but the alternative is far worse.

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:27 pm  

Mintball wrote:

You haven't mentioned the UN.

Well they would come under the sanctions, no-fly zone, air bombardment and invasion options, but any of those options will only happen with the US being the instigators of those options as they're the only country with the capability to enforce those options.
But there is also the question of what should be done if the UN cannot act?

My point really was its very, very easy to criticise in these situations. Few people are actually willing to say what they would do in the US position. There are no passive actions in these cases, as doing nothing can have just as huge repercussions as doing something. See Rwanda.

[DaveO]

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:55 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

CNN are reporting that the rebels executed a 14-year-old boy in front of a crowd of people for 'insulting the prophet'. This is not a group of people we should be giving more weapons to.

There is the old saying "The United States of America does not have friends; it has interests." but I am blowed if I know how supporting fundamentalists rebels to overthrow Assad is in US interests.

Maybe the Russians with their support for Assad fear what is to come and don't want another fundamentalist led county in the region?

Of course this is talking as if Syria is a pawn in a big political game and ignoring the human suffering but I suppose they are.

As to what CNN are reporting as far as the combatants go, all that will do is IMO be a recruitment poster for Assad. I am sure not every Syrian is desperate for a strict Muslim state to be their future.

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:57 pm  

Him wrote:

Well they would come under the sanctions, no-fly zone, air bombardment and invasion options, but any of those options will only happen with the US being the instigators of those options as they're the only country with the capability to enforce those options.
But there is also the question of what should be done if the UN cannot act?

My point really was its very, very easy to criticise in these situations. Few people are actually willing to say what they would do in the US position. There are no passive actions in these cases, as doing nothing can have just as huge repercussions as doing something. See Rwanda.

Whatever we end up doing, I can't think of a single argument in favour of arming Islamic fundamentalists. We're constantly being told that our civil liberties need to be gradually eroded to protect us from such people, to then start arming them because it suits our purpose is bonkers.

Re: President Obama - What A Fraud He Turned Out To Be! : Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:33 pm  

LeighGionaire wrote:

Guantanamo is still open

Got to have somewhere to store the thousands of innocent people they mistakenly take to be terrorists from their snooping activities.