Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:09 pm  

Firstly how can we legitimately back the new regime when they overthrew a democratically elected government? I'm sure the President was corrupt to the core but I believe our own government is also corrupt to the core so can I now use force to overthrow Cameron's regime?

Secondly how can John Kerry and others keep a straight face when they scold Russia for interfering in a sovereign nation? All we've seem to do in the past ten years is get involved in the affairs of other sovereign states, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc.

Surely I can't be the only poster sick to the back teeth of the hypocrisy shown by our so called leaders?

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:43 pm  

LeighGionaire wrote:

Firstly how can we legitimately back the new regime when they overthrew a democratically elected government? I'm sure the President was corrupt to the core but I believe our own government is also corrupt to the core so can I now use force to overthrow Cameron's regime?

Didn't the Ukrainian parliament remove the President?
I don't believe any force was used. The democratically elected parliament acted to remove one government and replace it with another.

LeighGionaire wrote:

Secondly how can John Kerry and others keep a straight face when they scold Russia for interfering in a sovereign nation? All we've seem to do in the past ten years is get involved in the affairs of other sovereign states, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc.

Surely I can't be the only poster sick to the back teeth of the hypocrisy shown by our so called leaders?

Whilst there is some hypocrisy, and they should as professional politicians have chosen better words, the alternative is that we say and do nothing.
Ukraine needs "big" nations on its side. Despite our world position and power not being what it once was we are still a relatively powerful country and I'd rather we used our influence and power to help nations like Ukraine.
And the US is a nation (probably the only nation) who can still frighten Russia if it really wanted to.

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:29 pm  

Him wrote:

Didn't the Ukrainian parliament remove the President?
I don't believe any force was used. The democratically elected parliament acted to y remove one government and replace it with another.

Days of rioting and violent confrontation between protesters and police that left around 100 dead, the fact that live rounds were reportedly fired by both sites. Government buildings stormed, a democratically elected President fleeing the country in fear of his life. Now protesters calling for 'revolutionary justice' upon the former president and his political aides. How can you suggest that the President was democratically removed? The vote you mentioned was just a formality after the event.

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:45 pm  

Apparently we signed something to say the UK guarantees Ukraine's borders. So Camoron can start a war with Russia far more legitimately than Blair did with Iraq. I'm off to start polishing me boots.

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:14 pm  

China are backing Russia, so I guess that's us out of the sabre rattling equation.

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:30 pm  

Quisling. We can take 'em all.

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:04 pm  

It seems that quite a lot of the 'rebels' are from fascist or far-right nation it's parties, including some now installed in government.

Let's see what happens.

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:26 pm  

Yes there is hypocrisy. Let's suppose Scotland gains independence but the rest of the UK secures an 300 informal lease on Faslane and a 40 mile radius area around it. The base is staffed by English who settle there and Scots. In 60 years time a violent revolution overthrows the Scottish government and the streets of Glasgow are full of armed militias of various political factions, many of then spouting anti-English rheotoric. No what do you think the Westminster government's response would be? We are currently led to believe it would be to respect Scottish sovereignity and negotiate with someone and not to secure the third generation English folks safety and the base!

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:30 pm  

Watching an old Who Wants to be a Millionaire on Challenge TV last night and one of the questions was which country is known as the Mother of Russia? Answer: Ukraine. So, no historic interests there then.

Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:43 pm  

On a wider point, I recall posting on here when Obama was elected it would make the world a more dangerous place as he would be a weak leader.