Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:32 pm  

On Countryfile at the weekend they did a piece about the practice of Jews and some Muslims of insisting that animals are slaughtered fully conscious and thus without any pre-stunning. According to a Farm Animal Welfare Council (now Committee) (FAWC) report on the ‘Welfare of Farmed Animals at Slaughter or Killing’ June 2003 a large cut made across the neck of a conscious animal would “result in very significant pain and distress before the animal loses consciousness (around 5 to 7 seconds for sheep, 22 to 40 seconds for adult cattle)." They needn't have bothered. Any debate is pointless as Dave has made a big point of guaranteeing to the Knesset in a long speech that the practice will not be interfered with "on his watch". "When people challenged kosher shechita, I have defended it. I fought as a backbench member of Parliament against the last attempt to do something to change this. And there's no way I'm allowing that to change now I'm Prime Minister. "On my watch Shechita is safe in the UK."

On Countryfile at the weekend they did a piece about the practice of Jews and some Muslims of insisting that animals are slaughtered fully conscious and thus without any pre-stunning. According to a Farm Animal Welfare Council (now Committee) (FAWC) report on the ‘Welfare of Farmed Animals at Slaughter or Killing’ June 2003 a large cut made across the neck of a conscious animal would “result in very significant pain and distress before the animal loses consciousness (around 5 to 7 seconds for sheep, 22 to 40 seconds for adult cattle)." They needn't have bothered. Any debate is pointless as Dave has made a big point of guaranteeing to the Knesset in a long speech that the practice will not be interfered with "on his watch". "When people challenged kosher shechita, I have defended it. I fought as a backbench member of Parliament against the last attempt to do something to change this. And there's no way I'm allowing that to change now I'm Prime Minister. "On my watch Shechita is safe in the UK."

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:51 pm  

I suspect no-one wants to do anything about it, because they will be accused of having beef / a bone to pick with Muslims and Jews.

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:43 pm  

Map the large areas of the Jewish community with that of parliamentary constituencies, be shocked no more...

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:25 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Map the large areas of the Jewish community with that of parliamentary constituencies, be shocked no more...

Why not ban Halal but retain Kosher then!!?

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:58 pm  

Dally wrote:

Why not ban Halal but retain Kosher then!!?

Because the substantial majority of halal is pre-stunned, maybe?

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:22 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Because the substantial majority of halal is pre-stunned, maybe?

As is the majority of kosher meat.

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:17 pm  

Meat is murder - eat fish

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:46 am  

We aren't even bothering with FGM what do we care of the animals.

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:41 am  

Big Graeme wrote: As is the majority of kosher meat. I have no idea about that and was simply going on the piece I watched. It did seem unequivocal and the definition I read of shechita (http://www.shechitauk.org/faq.html) insisted that there is no pre-stunning whatsoever allowed but if you are an expert in it then I'll take your word for it.

Big Graeme wrote: As is the majority of kosher meat. I have no idea about that and was simply going on the piece I watched. It did seem unequivocal and the definition I read of shechita (http://www.shechitauk.org/faq.html) insisted that there is no pre-stunning whatsoever allowed but if you are an expert in it then I'll take your word for it.

Re: Ritual slaughter of fully conscious animals : Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:05 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Because the substantial majority of halal is pre-stunned, maybe?

I thought that halal meat was taken from animals that were not stunned.