: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:01 pm  

Caliban wrote: This still doesn't answer Spanishbob's question. How are the likes of the Bowmans, Charlesworth and the other fringe players going to get any game time? Wonder if we're going to be the first RL club to introduce a Chelsea like squad rotation policy. Here is what MC said in the season preview "In terms of players getting game time, I am hoping we might be able to link up with a Championship One club." http://editorial.jpress.co.uk/4956160/Page%203.pdf Sounds an ideal way of keeping the fringe players fit & playing at a higher standard than resever grade.

Caliban wrote: This still doesn't answer Spanishbob's question. How are the likes of the Bowmans, Charlesworth and the other fringe players going to get any game time? Wonder if we're going to be the first RL club to introduce a Chelsea like squad rotation policy. Here is what MC said in the season preview "In terms of players getting game time, I am hoping we might be able to link up with a Championship One club." http://editorial.jpress.co.uk/4956160/Page%203.pdf Sounds an ideal way of keeping the fringe players fit & playing at a higher standard than resever grade.

: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:26 pm  

Still not sure where this ' junior academy ' is going to play next year

: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:36 pm  

Halifax RLFC wrote:

The decision to stop running a reserve team is the first phase in a long-term restructuring plan that began with the creation of a scholarship scheme, which now has 25 players enrolled.

Those players will form a junior academy side next season, which in turn will develop into a senior academy side. This is costing the club in excess of £50,000 per year, and is seen as an investment in the future. To find that money, the old reserve team had to be sacrificed.

The aim is to offer talented Calderdale players a pathway to first-team rugby with their home-town team whilst receiving an education at the same time. In the meantime any players deemed good enough will be promoted to the first team squad - such as Anthony Bowman and Graham Charlesworth this season.

This is being done partly with an eye on the next round of Super League licenses in 2012. Clubs must produce a certain number of home-grown players. This restructuring will help us achieve that, and eventually stop Super League clubs luring young players out of Calderdale.

Hope this finally makes things clear!

Sometimes you have to take a step back to be able to move forward. I think the club have done the right thing and somebody was going to be effected, whenever it happened.

Loaning the ones who we want to get game time under their belts, is one way of doing it.

: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:51 pm  

Yob wrote:

Sometimes you have to take a step back to be able to move forward. I think the club have done the right thing and somebody was going to be effected, whenever it happened.

Loaning the ones who we want to get game time under their belts, is one way of doing it.

But where is this junior academy going to play ?

: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:34 pm  

Starbug wrote:

But where is this junior academy going to play ?

Not at the Shay, too much of a risk to the pitch

: Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:07 pm  

Halifax RLFC wrote:

The decision to stop running a reserve team is the first phase in a long-term restructuring plan that began with the creation of a scholarship scheme, which now has 25 players enrolled.

Those players will form a junior academy side next season, which in turn will develop into a senior academy side. This is costing the club in excess of £50,000 per year, and is seen as an investment in the future. To find that money, the old reserve team had to be sacrificed.

The aim is to offer talented Calderdale players a pathway to first-team rugby with their home-town team whilst receiving an education at the same time. In the meantime any players deemed good enough will be promoted to the first team squad - such as Anthony Bowman and Graham Charlesworth this season.

This is being done partly with an eye on the next round of Super League licenses in 2012. Clubs must produce a certain number of home-grown players. This restructuring will help us achieve that, and eventually stop Super League clubs luring young players out of Calderdale.
Hope this finally makes things clear!

How are you going to find and develop 8 home grown players by 2011, if your junior academy is only going to start in 2010? Widnes have still got players trying to break into the 1st team that were in the junior academy back in 2005. I very much doubt that Halifax can go from no academy or reserve team in 2009 to ticking youth development boxes for a licence in 2011.

Also as Starbug has said, if the RFL don't accept Halifax's application to play in the official u18's, wont the standard of competition be quite low if you are forced into playing in an amatuer league? You could end up back where you started where you are unhappy at the youth develpoment because of the standard of the league. May as well just stuck with the u21's.

: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:30 pm  

Am i right in saying a couple of teams (Barrow) cancelled games late on last year and it turned in to a farce where the standards were poor and games becoming a joke? If the RFL organized the comp properly and put us in where we belong then it would be OK. But the U21s was wrongly kicked out of the top League despite beating the likes of Wigan , St.Helens, Leeds, Cas etc

Haley, Penky, Andy Bowmen, Charlesworth came through the Fax academy and Anthony Bowman is 16. So I guess a minimum of 4 are needed

: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:56 pm  

marillion man wrote:

Not at the Shay, too much of a risk to the pitch

Not really what I was getting at

: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:05 pm  

Der Kaiser 1 wrote:

Am i right in saying a couple of teams (Barrow) cancelled games late on last year and it turned in to a farce where the standards were poor and games becoming a joke? If the RFL organized the comp properly and put us in where we belong then it would be OK. But the U21s was wrongly kicked out of the top League despite beating the likes of Wigan , St.Helens, Leeds, Cas etc

Haley, Penky, Andy Bowmen, Charlesworth came through the Fax academy and Anthony Bowman is 16. So I guess a minimum of 4 are needed

We had much the same but still got refused entry a few years ago

The only comp worth entering outside the SL academy is the national youth league which is now used by some NL/Championship clubs as a development comp

Siddal would be the nearest to you , we have Leigh Miners and East both participating

It is without doubt very difficult to run any creditable junior development outside SL as the option of picking up SL clubs cast offs is very tempting

: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:14 pm  

Thats the problem again with the RFL-SL clubs are treated like kings and the likes of fax, Leigh, Widnes who all have/had good academy´s were treated like crap.Because of this Fax have lost out on a number of juniors who have signed at Bradford, Huddersfield and Salford. I suspect Leigh and Widnes have similar stories. The U21s/Reserves is a joke and needs sorting. So is the U18s and no wonder the English National team struggles as the right structure is not in place at Youth and academy levels let alone first grade. Many clubs facilities are simply crap but who cares things are rosy at SL level