Re: Accounts : Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:46 am  

faxcar wrote:

Is there any chance of the clubs being better run by slagging them off?

Yes, using your hotel anaology, if a hotel was constantly getting bad reviews then the owners may do something to improve those reviews.

Re: Accounts : Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:03 am  

Personally I think this season has been poor due to multiple mitigating circumstances, injuries to important players, failed sponsorships , leaving board members. The ones being criticised shouldn’t be the ones that remain especially by people who don’t have the balls to be accountable themselves. There’s obviously a lot of cliques at Halifax and rather than coming together some choose to point the finger rather than lend a hand .

Re: Accounts : Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:04 am  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

Yes, using your hotel anaology, if a hotel was constantly getting bad reviews then the owners may do something to improve those reviews.

As with the hotel reviews some people are just serial moaners who have never run anything, haven't got the means or ability to do so and have no idea of how to do so themselves and frankly their not qualified.

Others doing the finger pointing have failed in running their own businesses and listening to bad advice from amateurs or failures will only make the situation worse.

The proof is in the pudding because the bigger picture shows.

It's not just one hotel (Fax) though is it, most of the clubs are losing millions and many are on the brink.

Are all the BoD's at these other clubs not trying to improve and incapable of running their clubs then, is it only at Fax?

Are there underlying reasons why the game is dying across the sport, yes and many of them have been aired multiple times on the same public platforms including by the same ones doing the slagging off.

Just a few of them are.
IMG are a complete waste of time.
The RFL are the most incompetent governing body in sport.
The SL clubs are only concerned about themselves and are taking all the money whilst using the other clubs for their own ends.
The entire system needs changing.

This ones the best which most if not everyone would agree with.

Without a multimillionaire sugar daddy we've no chance, well we haven't got a sugar daddy so we've no chance then.

It's money that makes the world go round and the root causes are now too deeply ingrained and the clubs have become unsustainable at current levels as can be clearly seen.

Just as with many of us it's getting to the point we can't afford to go to the game it's getting to the point where the clubs can't afford to be able to run the game and their caught in the net and can't disengage.

I'm sure with hindsight every club could have done better but I'm just as sure that the way things are no matter what they do isn't going to be enough and slagging people off for not being able to fix the unfixable certainly isn't the answer.

Re: Accounts : Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:24 am  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

The biggest problem Fax have at the moment is keeping hold of existing fans nevermind attracting new ones. I know we mentioned the Wakey game which was the lowest attendance that I have seen from a Fax following at a game in a long time. From someone who has gone religiously for around 40 years and even when we moved down to the Shay there was a group of about 20 of us that would go to every game, we would book dining packages, most of us had large sponsorship packages at one time or another, but over the last few years this number has dwindled right down to 4 or 5 if we are lucky, dining is too expensive and poor quality, and none of us sponsor anymore for one reason or another, and the ones who still do go are picking and choosing games.

You appear to have more mates than me, greg, but likewise our group has shrunk somewhat. From going to every home and away match to now just a couple of us selecting matches. This wouldn't be too bad if there was a churn ...... that is old fans being replaced by new, but as I keep saying, the £20 entrance has now stopped that.

I do try to entice the missing back. They're still interested in the fortunes of Fax. But "I'm not paying 20 quid to go". End of. That's not slagging off the club and it's not even an opinion. It's a fact. Read other clubs' forums. I've never known such despair. Something needs to be done and the clubs need to get together during the close season for a complete overhaul.

Re: Accounts : Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:53 am  

Tony Fax wrote:

You appear to have more mates than me, greg, but likewise our group has shrunk somewhat. From going to every home and away match to now just a couple of us selecting matches. This wouldn't be too bad if there was a churn ...... that is old fans being replaced by new, but as I keep saying, the £20 entrance has now stopped that.

I do try to entice the missing back. They're still interested in the fortunes of Fax. But "I'm not paying 20 quid to go". End of. That's not slagging off the club and it's not even an opinion. It's a fact. Read other clubs' forums. I've never known such despair. Something needs to be done and the clubs need to get together during the close season for a complete overhaul.

This isn’t slagging anyone off it’s based on facts that we all know about and every one of us know how it’s affecting us and know several others who aren’t going because of the price of admission.

Falling attendances are just one part the net that the clubs are caught in but lowering the price doesn’t guarantee more will come in sufficient numbers either to make up the difference or increase the amount.

Admission prices aren’t the only reason for people not coming as for everyone of the fans that I know are being put off for that I know quadruple the amount who simply have no interest in rugby league and don’t even watch it on tv for free.

Re: Accounts : Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:09 am  

I think rugby league as a whole needs an overhaul on and off the pitch , it’s bigger than just us .

If we survive ironically I will buy a season ticket next year but I do think mini season tickets would help , modern day life is very busy balancing work family and everything else is harder than ever a mini season ticket would give the club and the fans more flexibility . Obviously certain games are more appealing than others , so perhaps a stamp of attend five games get one half price or a tiered pricing structure on the quality of the game . It’s disappointing that the rugby and football clubs don’t see eye to eye but they should be working together for example, a footy season ticket holder should get discounted prices to attend the rugby and vice a versa , I know regardless of my disinterest in footy I would be tempted to attend a game on a week night at a discounted price. The whole town should be working together with businesses and sponsors , discounted food n drinks , gym memberships , cinema discounts, travel lodge/hotel discounts, bowling, golf etc etc , these are modern times and there are more choices of entertainment than ever time to think out of the box , it’s not the 80s anymore time to think out of the box.

Re: Accounts : Fri Sep 20, 2024 12:51 am  

Listen up makes some very valid points, the ‘rot’ started way back in the 80’s when Sundays became another working day, for myself at that time I had to work on a Sunday this stopped me from attending many games, maybe you could blame the government of the day for allowing Sunday trading!
Whilst I am sure were Fax more successful additional local sponsors would see it as a marketing opportunity, however with very little outside exposure in media terms and companies having to carefully consider where to advertise Rugby league comes way down the list.
I am not an avid Halifax Courier reader, however the coverage of any sport bar association football is pathetic. It is not as though the football is tearing up a pathway to the Premier League.
Another point that has been made over and over, why can’t both Football and Rugby form a partnership?, one reason from reports I read and read between the lines so to speak, whilst there are bigoted board directors of one or other of the clubs(allegedly) this will never happen.
Again I am not privy to how the Council run the Shay or the terms of the contract signed, but not having a profit share from bar takings?, and dining packages circa £50 a pop, where do the contractors think ordinary people have that spare change in this day and age?
I do not claim to have the answers but as my dear mum used to say to me and my siblings, if I knocked your heads together would it put some sense into them, take note all 3 protagonists ( football,rugby,council) because if professional sport dies in Halifax so does a lot of free advertising as little as it may be in the media, unless the Piece Hall is going to be the saviour and future of Halifax.
You may and will be correct in saying, “ you left here, why do you care?” Yes I did but I am a proud Halifaxian and would love to shove down other expats throats that we have a town to be proud of, especially a rugby league team.
End of sermon

Re: Accounts : Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:22 am  

As I've said before There isn't an answer, it's all too deep rooted and they can't get out of it.

Re: Accounts : Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:52 am  

faxcar wrote:

As with the hotel reviews some people are just serial moaners who have never run anything, haven't got the means or ability to do so and have no idea of how to do so themselves and frankly their not qualified.

Others doing the finger pointing have failed in running their own businesses and listening to bad advice from amateurs or failures will only make the situation worse.

The proof is in the pudding because the bigger picture shows.

It's not just one hotel (Fax) though is it, most of the clubs are losing millions and many are on the brink.

Are all the BoD's at these other clubs not trying to improve and incapable of running their clubs then, is it only at Fax?

Are there underlying reasons why the game is dying across the sport, yes and many of them have been aired multiple times on the same public platforms including by the same ones doing the slagging off.

Just a few of them are.
IMG are a complete waste of time.
The RFL are the most incompetent governing body in sport.
The SL clubs are only concerned about themselves and are taking all the money whilst using the other clubs for their own ends.
The entire system needs changing.

This ones the best which most if not everyone would agree with.

Without a multimillionaire sugar daddy we've no chance, well we haven't got a sugar daddy so we've no chance then.

It's money that makes the world go round and the root causes are now too deeply ingrained and the clubs have become unsustainable at current levels as can be clearly seen.

Just as with many of us it's getting to the point we can't afford to go to the game it's getting to the point where the clubs can't afford to be able to run the game and their caught in the net and can't disengage.

I'm sure with hindsight every club could have done better but I'm just as sure that the way things are no matter what they do isn't going to be enough and slagging people off for not being able to fix the unfixable certainly isn't the answer.

Well, Faxcar, your first four mentioned points are absolutely valid complaints/reasons. Anyone thinking or believing otherwise is deluded. Also it would be helpful if the hotels weren't full of illegals. If we could get in one we might just be able to add up correctly and plant the seeds to grow a proper forest where all the insects have an even chance of growing up. Finally, the one point that i hear more than anything else including cost/leaving Thrum Hall/playing Sundays in't summer is lack of P&R. Every conversation on RL i have nowadays seems to end up with 'what's the point'? That is something I find very hard to argue against.

Re: Accounts : Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:13 am  

faxcar wrote:

As I've said before There isn't an answer, it's all too deep rooted and they can't get out of it.

Of course there's an answer. There's a solution to every problem.