: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:06 am  

RAH RAH to Lee

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:44 am  

Fax4Life wrote:

Only (yer okay we wish) 8643 at Odslum.
We could get near to the best crowds in the Championship if we carry on winning, certainly we need to get over 2300 on Sunday imo.
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it makes you wonder if some supporters might visit the shay for a change after seeing such a debacle at odsul on telly

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:56 am  

urbancarrot wrote:

I have had a greats night entertainment at odsal on my free ticket... I hope all my facebook status's kept everyone informed on how it was..

I was upset that nobody joined in my wooly bully song... OK it was 5 mins after half time and they had started going home but I tried to make an atmosphere.... Says something when a Fax fan is only one clapping after a bulls try.. and that was more of a well done you came 8th in the egg and spoon race clap..

Anyway I enjoyed my night and would definately go see them get spanked again for free no doubt.......

Got to agree with you there ,in fact it was so good I have had to watch it twice .Just enjoying the match again now. I never realised I was a Warrington fan.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:42 am  

Lets all Laugh at Bradford what a loud of gash. Bullmania is dead.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:48 am  

Fax4Life wrote:

Only (yer okay we wish) 8643 at Odslum.
This result will only make it worse. Its going to be interesting to see what crowds they get by the end of this season if they are still as poor?

Widnes got a poor crowd (for them) too, shows what losing does to your crowds in such a short time.
We could get near to the best crowds in the Championship if we carry on winning, certainly we need to get over 2300 on Sunday imo.
Come on get yer mates and all the kids (its only a quid) you know down on Sunday

Unfortunately its not just losing that's doing for our crowds. The reality of playing for nothing is definately starting to hit home. It really came home to me on Good Friday when we lost to Leigh. In years gone by I would've been frothing at the mouth, absolutely livid that we'd lost. Instead the emotion that I felt could only be described as "mild disappointment". The atmosphere has all but gone from the game.

Look at your guys. Unbeaten and playing some fantastic stuff but you'll be chuffed to get 2,500. The game is dying on its arris at his level.

Even in Super-duper league the bottom end crowds are falling with no relegation threat. 8K at Bradford last night, Wire back down to 7-8k. In their case it probably is cos they're losing, but the lack of the threat of relegation will mean that once teams are out play-off contention the season is over and crowds will reflect this.

Sad days IMO

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:37 am  

i coulda gone to the bulls game, but i hate it when they win, and i actually thought they would win. i shouldaaaa GONE was good to watch

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:43 am  

Trashcansinatra wrote:

Unfortunately its not just losing that's doing for our crowds. The reality of playing for nothing is definately starting to hit home. It really came home to me on Good Friday when we lost to Leigh. In years gone by I would've been frothing at the mouth, absolutely livid that we'd lost. Instead the emotion that I felt could only be described as "mild disappointment". The atmosphere has all but gone from the game.

Look at your guys. Unbeaten and playing some fantastic stuff but you'll be chuffed to get 2,500. The game is dying on its arris at his level.

Even in Super-duper league the bottom end crowds are falling with no relegation threat. 8K at Bradford last night, Wire back down to 7-8k. In their case it probably is cos they're losing, but the lack of the threat of relegation will mean that once teams are out play-off contention the season is over and crowds will reflect this.

Sad days IMO

Agree with most of that. Nice to know crap teams are not relegated when teams in the Championship could do better-both on and off the field.

I always think that there should be a certain standard to get in and stay in SL. There was no need for franchises and Promotion and relegation should of been kept. But a club should meet certain criteria to enter and stay in SL. If a team wins the Championship Grand Final but is in debt or its stadium is not up to standard then they should stay down and no relegation or the losing Finalist go up.
On the other hand if a SL club is losing money and is poorly run they hould also be relegated even if its not the bottom team. Its not just to do with results on the field. However its my opinion that the RFL have gone too far and the franchise business is ruining the game despite some of the things in the Franchise system being things I agree with-Youth Development, Quality of Stadia, No Debts etc

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:56 am  

Der Kaiser 1 wrote:

Agree with most of that. Nice to know crap teams are not relegated when teams in the Championship could do better-both on and off the field.

I always think that there should be a certain standard to get in and stay in SL. There was no need for franchises and Promotion and relegation should of been kept. But a club should meet certain criteria to enter and stay in SL. If a team wins the Championship Grand Final but is in debt or its stadium is not up to standard then they should stay down and no relegation or the losing Finalist go up.
On the other hand if a SL club is losing money and is poorly run they hould also be relegated even if its not the bottom team. Its not just to do with results on the field. However its my opinion that the RFL have gone too far and the franchise business is ruining the game despite some of the things in the Franchise system being things I agree with-Youth Development, Quality of Stadia, No Debts etc

I also agree with both of you. I was dead against franchising from the start but now it's here we are stuck with it, at least for the time being.

What bothers me is that even if Fax, Widnes, Leigh or anyone else was mega-successful for the next 3 years, winning every Grand Final, every NRC Final and finishing top of the Championship and ticking all the boxes for Development, Financial stability, stadia etc. I firmly believe that the RFL would ignore all this and put Toulouse or some other pipedream expansion club into SL instead.

I hasten to add that I am in no way against expansion but I can see no point in it if it destroys long-established clubs in the process.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:16 pm  

My dream would be a breakaway game, stuff the RFL, secure a good TV deal (not Sky Obv.), invite any existing SL clubs to join, have 2 leagues, 3 up, 3 down, if you come top of the league, you WIN the league! No play offs, maybe have a premiership final like 20 years ago, no northern rail cup, but maybe a Regal Trophy knockout, secure good stadia for finals, my dream!

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:19 pm  

Fax Machine wrote:

I also agree with both of you. I was dead against franchising from the start but now it's here we are stuck with it, at least for the time being.

What bothers me is that even if Fax, Widnes, Leigh or anyone else was mega-successful for the next 3 years, winning every Grand Final, every NRC Final and finishing top of the Championship and ticking all the boxes for Development, Financial stability, stadia etc. I firmly believe that the RFL would ignore all this and put Toulouse or some other pipedream expansion club into SL instead.

I hasten to add that I am in no way against expansion but I can see no point in it if it destroys long-established clubs in the process.

I for one am not too bothered about being over successful over the next 3 years. It's about enjoying the rugby that is on display, wether it be us Widnes or even Too-loose. But to have Dulls or Credit Crunch Crusaders or the Reds in the bottom 3 for the next 3 years ? Well I would go to my "Maker" with a smile on my face. Knowing I had played my part in their down fall.