Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:35 am  

Beaujangles wrote:

Not sure I agree entirely but appreciate the reasoned response.
Personally I don't like what Grix demands in a forward and don't believe his methods at this level will work.His recritment 3 for this season have been a disaster so far...no guarentees with anything but Kyle Amor would be my choice,knowlegeable,respected and I'm sure would be capable of assembling a pack with the right credentials for all type of track rugby.

I thought Mark Aston might be a better personality fit.... Only joking.

Likewise I'm sure we won't agree entirely but that's fair enough, what we do agree on is so far this years incomings on and off the field have been a disappointment and if Maher turns out to be nightmare then regardless of a 2 year deal he'll be on his way, he's only featured in a few games so lets give the bloke a chance.

The players do read what's being said about them and they are human and if we say the coach should be a great motivator then the same can be said for the 18th man which is us.

King left for personal reasons and are best left private but Fax are searching for a quality permanent replacement or like they have done with Gannon a longer term loan deal, out of interest who would you prefer King or Gannon if we could get a permanent deal done?

I appreciate not having seen much of either of them week to week it would be based largely on reputation but that's what a recruiting coach has to initially go on, word of mouth, watching a few videos etc.

Trying to be positive if we can get a couple of the decent additions were looking for and with Doro and Maizen for that matter both having the ability to show a lot more it's still all up for grabs.

Reality is though as you say nothing is guaranteed as this years comp across the board is the most competitive there's ever been and all the clubs are trying to grab the same prize.

In the short term I just hope they don't lose against Barrow on Sunday, generally all hell will break lose and personally it makes me sick to the stomach needing a few days to recover all over a bleeding rugby game.

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:05 pm  

faxcar wrote:

King left for personal reasons and are best left private but Fax are searching for a quality permanent replacement or like they have done with Gannon a longer term loan deal, out of interest who would you prefer King or Gannon if we could get a permanent deal done?
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Whenever there's an acrimonious split there's always a club spin that suits all parties,which is not neccessarily the truth.Would he have left if he was championed by his coach and playing regularly ?
Can't say who I would prefer but King seemed to be more of the destructive type of forward we desperately need than Gannon who initially seems more of the same robotic forward that Grix prefers.

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:09 pm  

Beaujangles wrote:

Whenever there's an acrimonious split there's always a club spin that suits all parties,which is not neccessarily the truth.Would he have left if he was championed by his coach and playing regularly ?
Can't say who I would prefer but King seemed to be more of the destructive type of forward we desperately need than Gannon who initially seems more of the same robotic forward that Grix prefers.

Right so in addition to wanting the coach sacked your now saying the club have been spinning a lie that somehow suits both side of an acrimonious split.

King left after only a few games into the regular seasons and both Gee and Kav, some of our better performers kept him out of the team and I don’t know of anyone who would have dropped either of them just to keep King happy, it was form and nothing to do with Grix failing to champion somebody.

Gannon who you originally welcomed and rated as both a short and longer term prospect, in two weeks has now become a robotic forward just the same as the rest of Grix’s pack.

Club, coach, players are all included in your critical comments.

Thanks for support but I’ll disagree on the above.

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:21 pm  

Not saying anyone lied just put out a political statement-history now.
Too early to comment on Gannon,just trying to answer the question,but doesn't seem to have the dynamism we lack-but time yet,loans give you that luxury as opposed to the alternative.

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:58 pm  

King left because his partner lives In Whitehaven and fax train more than Whitehaven, anyone who commutes long distances to work knows how draining this can be . Sam hallas had the same problem at Newcastle and went back to Bradford. Trying to fabricate a scenario where Grix is somehow to blame is just complete nonsense.

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:29 pm  

Beaujangles wrote:

Not saying anyone lied just put out a political statement-history now.
Too early to comment on Gannon,just trying to answer the question,but doesn't seem to have the dynamism we lack-but time yet,loans give you that luxury as opposed to the alternative.

Okay, not telling the truth isn't a lie it's a concocted political statement which is history but you keep bringing it up to kick Grix with and it’s too early to comment on Gannon but until enough time has passed to know after 45 minutes of game time with a new club you’ll nevertheless say he’s a robot who lacks dynamism.

So let’s put that on the shelf.

Now your the BoD and somehow negotiate the release of Kyle Amor from Widnes and assuming he even wants to go into coaching and is qualified to do so when he actually wants to go into teaching and has finished a university course to do it again somehow appoint him as coach.

Now your Kyle Amor in exactly the same situation as SG is, name the players who are available and you could afford to assemble the team that you say Grix should be doing?

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:11 pm  

Faxlore wrote:

I believe these comments about changing a player doesn’t make sense to me as if it is Grix’s fault. It is the player’s responsibility to play for his coach and the style that coach wants. Turn all your arguments around. The player is signing for a club and is aware of how the coach works and what the coach wants. The player will speak to established players at the club and now what the coach is about. If the new player then refuses to listen to his new coach and adapt their game to suit the game plans and playing ethos of the club then they are creating a problem in the game plan/relationship between coach and players/the club overall. When that happens they need to go no matter how good they are perceived to be.

Let me be clear i am not blaming simon for every short coming we have as a team but he does have to take a far share of the blame when things go wrong like on sunday because that is part of his job. And when a player leaves shortly after joining fans will of course ask questions why. And when he gets things right i give him credit where it is due. As for springer surely when you sign a player one of the major reasons you do it is because you like what you have seen performance wise from them at there previous clubs. But of course it works both ways to make a move work player and coach after be on the same page. I just find it strange that if a player as lets just say bad habits in his game that Simon doesn't like and they in his eyes out weigh the players strengths why bother signing him in the first place.

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:23 pm  

terry silver wrote:

Let me be clear i am not blaming simon for every short coming we have as a team but he does have to take a far share of the blame when things go wrong like on sunday because that is part of his job. And when a player leaves shortly after joining fans will of course ask questions why. And when he gets things right i give him credit where it is due. As for springer surely when you sign a player one of the major reasons you do it is because you like what you have seen performance wise from them at there previous clubs. But of course it works both ways to make a move work player and coach after be on the same page. I just find it strange that if a player as lets just say bad habits in his game that Simon doesn't like and they in his eyes out weigh the players strengths why bother signing him in the first place.

Terry just on Springer I have explained it before but i’ll do so again.

Absolutely correct in what you said about SG liking him, signing him, working with him etc and him wanting to be here but it’s wasn’t about known bad habits or dislikes outweighing the likes.

Initially everything was fine then from one game it all went downhill.

The loss away at Oldham that year was on a par with Sunday’s at Barrow ironically by the same 16-12 scorline.

Of course there was a post match debrief and during that the areas of concern were highlighted first on team performance and then on individual performance and several players were talked to, all this was perfectly normal and what everyone was used to.

One of those players was Gadwin who during the game had conceded a number of penalties whilst in possession for not playing the ball correctly and for pushing out at the marker.

SG quite rightly pointed it out the right way saying penalties are killing us and when in possessions it’s poor form but Springer took it the wrong way and it all escalated from there leading quickly to him leaving and that's basically it.

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:02 pm  

Simon Grix obviously doesn't take fools lightly and whether you back him or not that's the way it is. He is just the same as the players though in the respect that he can improve and learn as he goes and whilst two 3rd place finishes may look o.k. on paper considering financial disparities, you wonder where we would be if we remedied our now annual slow start. Saying we build into a season is almost saying you're not aiming for top spot and as a supporter that is unacceptable. His somewhat laid back style at press interviews doesn't do him any favours either, especially when he comes out with statements like Sunday's 'i couldn't care less about the league table' comment. I for one could. Could we have a better person as coach at this time? Maybe not, but any coach is certainly not above criticism just in the same way as players aren't. Up The Fax!

Re: Round 7 Barrow vs Halifax : Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:52 pm  

Hudd-Shay wrote:

Simon Grix obviously doesn't take fools lightly and whether you back him or not that's the way it is. He is just the same as the players though in the respect that he can improve and learn as he goes and whilst two 3rd place finishes may look o.k. on paper considering financial disparities, you wonder where we would be if we remedied our now annual slow start. Saying we build into a season is almost saying you're not aiming for top spot and as a supporter that is unacceptable. His somewhat laid back style at press interviews doesn't do him any favours either, especially when he comes out with statements like Sunday's 'i couldn't care less about the league table' comment. I for one could. Could we have a better person as coach at this time? Maybe not, but any coach is certainly not above criticism just in the same way as players aren't. Up The Fax!

Any worthwhile criticism or learning needs to come from someone’s equal or better qualified and it has to be based on facts and taken in context.

Like.

Every club builds into a season because they can’t play at top level all the time, everybody in the game knows it, it doesn’t mean they won’t be trying to win in the early games like your trying to imply.

Like.

His comment on league position was in the context of just losing a game and focussing on and resolving the reasons why, such as the issues with form, on field discipline and decision making that’s what he was doing instead of looking at a table and mumbling on about if we had 2 points here, or 2 points there, look where we could be but there gone forever, what do we do now, cry cry cry, have you not been in a dressing room or post match debrief of any kind? That’s what happens.

If your going to quote him and pick him up on everything including his interviews try and make sure you know what he was saying or ask him first instead of coming to inaccurate conclusions.