: Wed May 27, 2009 11:13 am  

MR BROWN wrote:

thanks for your constructive comments, but you are not the only team to suffer from bad refereeing.

Sorry Michael, shouldn't you be training with your new (old) team or something rather than trolling the Cas board?

: Wed May 27, 2009 11:13 am  

MR BROWN wrote:

i understand what you are saying and i understand the frustration, but there are proper channels for all the coaches to pursue if they are not happy. as far as the players are concerned, most rl players are admired by most other sports for their control, discipline and respect on the fieldfor other players and the officials. a great example to set for our youth. i am sure you agree.

Seems a well balanced and perfectly reasoned statement.

Doesnt however change the fact that you are a to**er

: Wed May 27, 2009 11:18 am  

Bonzo wrote:

I never noticed, I was watching the game as a whole rather than looking to pick on individuals involved in it. But you don't see too many signals from touch judges at Super League level these days because they use the communications kit.

Are these incidents you refer to those seen through black and amber tinted spectacles by any chance? Perhaps there was simply nothing to call - you'd be surprised how many spectators see things in a game that simply are not there.

I didnt go to the HKR game so I couldnt comment on anything that happened during that match, however the majority of spectators would im sure agree that touch judges do not get involved often enough. I can think of a few incidents recently when something questionable has happened directly infront of a touch judge with no action being taken, I am sure you will be able to recall a least a few similar situations yourself.

It is fairly well know that you are an amateur referee yourself Bonzo, so I would ask, are you viewing these incidents through refereeing tinted spectacles by any chance

: Wed May 27, 2009 11:24 am  

westyorkylad wrote:

Seems a well balanced and perfectly reasoned statement.

Doesnt however change the fact that you are a to**er

thanks for the compliment don't get many these days.

: Wed May 27, 2009 11:35 am  

Bonzo wrote:

I never noticed, I was watching the game as a whole rather than looking to pick on individuals involved in it. But you don't see too many signals from touch judges at Super League level these days because they use the communications kit.

Are these incidents you refer to those seen through black and amber tinted spectacles by any chance? Perhaps there was simply nothing to call - you'd be surprised how many spectators see things in a game that simply are not there.

No black and amber specs Bonzo, for instance, there was the incident in the second half right in front of where I was sat, which led to Sherwin's injury, this was smack in front of the TJ, he dithered and didn't seem to know what to do, whether to go on the field or not, he made a feeble half hearted attempt to wave his flag, but then stood there like a lemon and didn't put himself forward to the ref. From my viewpoint, it was a deliberate attempt to injure Sherwin.
There were many more incidents, but from my information, the actions taken by the TJ depends upon the referee, some refs like interaction with their TJ's whilst other don't, maybe Hewer is one of those who don't?

: Wed May 27, 2009 12:10 pm  

westyorkylad wrote:

It is fairly well know that you are an amateur referee yourself Bonzo, so I would ask, are you viewing these incidents through refereeing tinted spectacles by any chance

Amateur?

If by "refereeing tinted spectacles" you mean the complete impartiality required by match officials, then I'm guilty.

danny boy1 wrote:

No black and amber specs Bonzo, for instance, there was the incident in the second half right in front of where I was sat, which led to Sherwin's injury, this was smack in front of the TJ, he dithered and didn't seem to know what to do, whether to go on the field or not, he made a feeble half hearted attempt to wave his flag, but then stood there like a lemon and didn't put himself forward to the ref. From my viewpoint, it was a deliberate attempt to injure Sherwin.

I remember this incident and it looked like the knees went in from behind the sticks. But you have to consider that the TJ had a side view and therefore a better angle on the points of contact, if indeed there was contact. It was also 25-30m in field from him in which case, he may not have been 100% certain there was contact or of the point of contact.

danny boy1 wrote:

There were many more incidents, but from my information, the actions taken by the TJ depends upon the referee, some refs like interaction with their TJ's whilst other don't, maybe Hewer is one of those who don't?

Obviously at top level with the use of a communication kit, the officials are in communication, even though you won't be able to see it. Without the comm' kit it's up to the referee to look to the TJs for input, and for the TJs to obtain eye contact and give that input when necessary.

: Wed May 27, 2009 1:30 pm  

Another example of "poor" touch judging would be against Leeds where Dixon was CLEARLY taken out in the air, and the touch judge should have seen it because I was stood almost directly behind him, and watching it back on TV also shows that Dixon was a good foot (at the very least) off the ground, therefore a clear cut penalty?

Same against Hull F.C. for their first try where he missed a knock on right in front of him, and then that penalty near the end against Wainwright, and Calderwood's push on Shenton, what would a referees views on these be?

: Wed May 27, 2009 1:41 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

Another example of "poor" touch judging would be against Leeds where Dixon was CLEARLY taken out in the air, and the touch judge should have seen it because I was stood almost directly behind him, and watching it back on TV also shows that Dixon was a good foot (at the very least) off the ground, therefore a clear cut penalty?

Same against Hull F.C. for their first try where he missed a knock on right in front of him, and then that penalty near the end against Wainwright, and Calderwood's push on Shenton, what would a referees views on these be?

That Hull one was ridiculous, when he claimed Shenny played at it, I could see from the top tier that he didn't touch it, well unless he's well-endowed, in which case I wouldn't have thought he'd be as fast as he is...

But the touch judge was right on the spot, just like the Dixon tackle in the air against Leeds, that's what's frustrating is clear cut decisions - regardless of what coloured specs you're wearing.

: Thu May 28, 2009 3:04 am  

Disco wrote:

Tha dropped somert!!