Re: Crusaders Demise? : Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:19 am  

Starbug wrote: Toulouse for super L wrote: kinleycat wrote: I genuinely think many supporters of all clubs fail to see the logic of the crusaders existance. The fact that they are propped up is probably a jiggle to all clubs, except the elite. In what way are they propped up at other clubs expense? Hows this for the logic of Crusader's existence? http://league13.info/2010/10/23/wales-p ... opean-cup/ You are being serious here ? If that is the case , then surely Catalans inclusion has been an abject failure How many of the Crusaders players [ note I said Crusaders , not SWS ] played in this match ? 6 out of the 17 man squad were from Crusaders. Catalans inclusion has been an abject failure I thought even the flattest of cappers have now come to terms with and support Catalans inclusion, maybe not in Castleford. Catalans inclusion makes the French national team stronger, Crusaders inclusion makes the Welsh national team stronger. If you accept Catalans have already being successful in this in the past 5 or so years, the fact that after 2 years of super league the Welsh are able to compete with and beat the French shows that the Crusaders too have being successful. Its going to take a few more years, and hopefully a second French and Welsh super league club for them to be able to compete with the top 3 nations in the world.

Starbug wrote: Toulouse for super L wrote: kinleycat wrote: I genuinely think many supporters of all clubs fail to see the logic of the crusaders existance. The fact that they are propped up is probably a jiggle to all clubs, except the elite. In what way are they propped up at other clubs expense? Hows this for the logic of Crusader's existence? http://league13.info/2010/10/23/wales-p ... opean-cup/ You are being serious here ? If that is the case , then surely Catalans inclusion has been an abject failure How many of the Crusaders players [ note I said Crusaders , not SWS ] played in this match ? 6 out of the 17 man squad were from Crusaders. Catalans inclusion has been an abject failure I thought even the flattest of cappers have now come to terms with and support Catalans inclusion, maybe not in Castleford. Catalans inclusion makes the French national team stronger, Crusaders inclusion makes the Welsh national team stronger. If you accept Catalans have already being successful in this in the past 5 or so years, the fact that after 2 years of super league the Welsh are able to compete with and beat the French shows that the Crusaders too have being successful. Its going to take a few more years, and hopefully a second French and Welsh super league club for them to be able to compete with the top 3 nations in the world.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:06 pm  

bringing in another team from each country along with a supposed scottish team wud just set more whiners off i think if the rfl want to bring in more teams to extend the league to 16 to stop more whiners plus i think it will make more of an intresting season for the teams that dont make play offs to get as high as possible.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:26 pm  

Toulouse for super L wrote: kinleycat wrote: I genuinely think many supporters of all clubs fail to see the logic of the crusaders existance. The fact that they are propped up is probably a jiggle to all clubs, except the elite. In what way are they propped up at other clubs expense? Hows this for the logic of Crusader's existence? http://league13.info/2010/10/23/wales-p ... opean-cup/ They have been aided by rfl finance all the way through their fasttracking into SL at the expense of other NL clubs, playing more overseas players than other NL clubs, these players were all here illegaly also. They are just not ready for SL because of the mass rush to get them in, they haven't been able to build a stable club, home or identity. They have got away with paying less than half of what they owed the RFL, no other club would be allowed. As for the link, it means nothing, the whole northern hemisphere game at international level is going backwards as a result of SL, the loss of GB means England cannot field a strong enough team to challenge either oz or nz, but could still hammer either France or Wales, England are effectively in limbo and France and Wales will never really get any where near England unless they had either 3 or 4 SL sides or a pro league of their own. The whole international system up here is out of kilter, standards are going down not up, this experiment has not worke for any teams other than southern hemisphere ones as all their crap comes here so they can blood their youngsters. 10 or 15 years ago it was all Ireland and look what's happened there, my mate was RL development officer in Ireland back then, and he was only in it for the pi$$ up and because someone at the RFL thought it was a good idea at the time. Sorry Toulouse old boy, your miles off!!!

Toulouse for super L wrote: kinleycat wrote: I genuinely think many supporters of all clubs fail to see the logic of the crusaders existance. The fact that they are propped up is probably a jiggle to all clubs, except the elite. In what way are they propped up at other clubs expense? Hows this for the logic of Crusader's existence? http://league13.info/2010/10/23/wales-p ... opean-cup/ They have been aided by rfl finance all the way through their fasttracking into SL at the expense of other NL clubs, playing more overseas players than other NL clubs, these players were all here illegaly also. They are just not ready for SL because of the mass rush to get them in, they haven't been able to build a stable club, home or identity. They have got away with paying less than half of what they owed the RFL, no other club would be allowed. As for the link, it means nothing, the whole northern hemisphere game at international level is going backwards as a result of SL, the loss of GB means England cannot field a strong enough team to challenge either oz or nz, but could still hammer either France or Wales, England are effectively in limbo and France and Wales will never really get any where near England unless they had either 3 or 4 SL sides or a pro league of their own. The whole international system up here is out of kilter, standards are going down not up, this experiment has not worke for any teams other than southern hemisphere ones as all their crap comes here so they can blood their youngsters. 10 or 15 years ago it was all Ireland and look what's happened there, my mate was RL development officer in Ireland back then, and he was only in it for the pi$$ up and because someone at the RFL thought it was a good idea at the time. Sorry Toulouse old boy, your miles off!!!

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:50 am  

kinleycat wrote:

They have been aided by rfl finance all the way through their fasttracking into SL at the expense of other NL clubs,

They have got away with paying less than half of what they owed the RFL

Can you please provide some evidence to support these claims?

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:04 am  

Toulouse for super L wrote:

Can you please provide some evidence to support these claims?

Take a look at their accounts!!

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:23 am  

kinleycat wrote:

Take a look at their accounts!!

Why dont you provide a link to some evidence?

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:32 pm  

ferkin ell........ why dont you argue on your own forums