Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:52 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

It all sounds really good, but this is not Premier League Football, if he thinks you are going to attract a load of fans from overseas he is not as smart a business man as he thinks he is.

If you don't try, you'll never know.

Tricky2309 wrote:

I still think the fact one of his main businesses involves tax efficiency (or is it avoidance) is not necessarily something that ties in with the values of a RL club but thats just my opinion.

So it's not within the values of an RL club to create wealth and maximise profitability? If the company were specialising in illegal services I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be trading.

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:27 pm  

This guy can talk the talk and has got me dreaming of Cas showing up at the big occasions.
Ted Richardson should keep quiet.

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:27 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

It all sounds really good, but this is not Premier League Football, if he thinks you are going to attract a load of fans from overseas he is not as smart a business man as he thinks he is.

Simple fact is like 90% of the world haven't even SEEN an RL game so they wont know if they like it or not, if this bloke takes videos of games specifically involving Cas around the world he's promoting both the game and the club.

On another note, with the things he's come out with the last week or so does anyone else think he's lining up to buy the club?

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:16 pm  

Bonzo wrote:

Tricky2309 wrote:

It all sounds really good, but this is not Premier League Football, if he thinks you are going to attract a load of fans from overseas he is not as smart a business man as he thinks he is.

If you don't try, you'll never know.

Tricky2309 wrote:

I still think the fact one of his main businesses involves tax efficiency (or is it avoidance) is not necessarily something that ties in with the values of a RL club but thats just my opinion.

So it's not within the values of an RL club to create wealth and maximise profitability? If the company were specialising in illegal services I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be trading.

Tax efficiency is usually a term associated with very wealthy people who can afford to pay Accountants and firms like PROBIZ to avoid paying their dues in relation to taxes. Why else is his client bank including numerous celebrities/pro sports people. This in turn makes the rest of us average earning Joes have to pay more to fill the gap

Do you think he will be opening a branch at GH to give the average Cas fan some advice on tax efficiency?

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:41 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Bonzo wrote:

Tricky2309 wrote:

It all sounds really good, but this is not Premier League Football, if he thinks you are going to attract a load of fans from overseas he is not as smart a business man as he thinks he is.

If you don't try, you'll never know.

Tricky2309 wrote:

I still think the fact one of his main businesses involves tax efficiency (or is it avoidance) is not necessarily something that ties in with the values of a RL club but thats just my opinion.

So it's not within the values of an RL club to create wealth and maximise profitability? If the company were specialising in illegal services I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be trading.

Tax efficiency is usually a term associated with very wealthy people who can afford to pay Accountants and firms like PROBIZ to avoid paying their dues in relation to taxes. Why else is his client bank including numerous celebrities/pro sports people. This in turn makes the rest of us average earning Joes have to pay more to fill the gap

I hope you can look in the eyes of our starving brothers and sisters in Africa and say that with sincerity. I'm sure they'll believe just how strong your argument is.

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:02 pm  

Georgie Best on a Bloomer wrote:

Tricky2309 wrote:

Bonzo wrote:

Tricky2309 wrote:

It all sounds really good, but this is not Premier League Football, if he thinks you are going to attract a load of fans from overseas he is not as smart a business man as he thinks he is.

If you don't try, you'll never know.

Tricky2309 wrote:

I still think the fact one of his main businesses involves tax efficiency (or is it avoidance) is not necessarily something that ties in with the values of a RL club but thats just my opinion.

So it's not within the values of an RL club to create wealth and maximise profitability? If the company were specialising in illegal services I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be trading.

Tax efficiency is usually a term associated with very wealthy people who can afford to pay Accountants and firms like PROBIZ to avoid paying their dues in relation to taxes. Why else is his client bank including numerous celebrities/pro sports people. This in turn makes the rest of us average earning Joes have to pay more to fill the gap

I hope you can look in the eyes of our starving brothers and sisters in Africa and say that with sincerity. I'm sure they'll believe just how strong your argument is.

Sorry , but I am not quite sure what your point is and what relevance it has to mine?

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:33 pm  

i personally find this talk of underhand business activities, tax avoidance, and a lack of moral ethics somewhat of a personal insult. I am a chartered accountant and am proud to say i am. The average chartered accountant will spend at least six years one way or another training and passing exams before they can use the term chartered accountant. They then spend another two years post qualification before they can even represent a client and a further two before you can sign a set of accounts or tax computations. It is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country (potentially behind law and medicine) and every year i have to submit details of why i am a "fit a proper individual" to represent clients to a panel at the icaew to be allowed to continue practicing. Combine that with the six monthly ethics training i have to attend and you may begin to understand why the implication that the industry and the firms within it are somehow "dodgy" is somewhat offensive. Before you start to discredit a firm you may actually wish to understand what these companies do. And i mean really understand what they do rather than take the tabloid stance of banks/financial services and professional firms as being somehow harmful to our economy Probiz are fundamentally a group of accountants who act under the umbrella of "Probiz". They are a business advisory company who deal in professional services. Much like PWC - Ernst and Young This may involve accountancy services including financial reporting, taxation and business restructuring. It will also include services such as corporate finance, legal and statutory services and marketing services, along with providing things such as detailed business plans to companies to help assist banks with lending overdrafts. Of the services above i think you will the majority help to create value for their clients rather than as you put it "help them to not pay as much tax". Moving onto your second point: This talk of the wealthy people paying accountants to pay less tax is true. However what you have to remember is that if a wealthy individual saves tax via an accountant it leaves him or his company with more income to spend or invest. i.e. to create new businesses and in turn create new jobs - who in turn pay tax on their earnings. All individuals in society pay a basic rate of tax on all their earnings. 20% on pay up to £40k. Whilst the wealthier pay twice as much tax as basic rate tax payers on income of the £40k threshold. This idea that somehow the poor pay more because the rich pay less as you can see is simply incorrect. What accountants do is simply apply the rules to a scenario so as to minimise client’s tax. We do not make the rules. We do not bend the rules (unless we want to go to jail). If you want to blame anyone blame all politicians as they make the rules. If you really want know what accountants do - so next time you feel like insulting a profession/firm/individual who the majority of society hold in high esteem have a look here: www.icaew.com

i personally find this talk of underhand business activities, tax avoidance, and a lack of moral ethics somewhat of a personal insult. I am a chartered accountant and am proud to say i am. The average chartered accountant will spend at least six years one way or another training and passing exams before they can use the term chartered accountant. They then spend another two years post qualification before they can even represent a client and a further two before you can sign a set of accounts or tax computations. It is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country (potentially behind law and medicine) and every year i have to submit details of why i am a "fit a proper individual" to represent clients to a panel at the icaew to be allowed to continue practicing. Combine that with the six monthly ethics training i have to attend and you may begin to understand why the implication that the industry and the firms within it are somehow "dodgy" is somewhat offensive. Before you start to discredit a firm you may actually wish to understand what these companies do. And i mean really understand what they do rather than take the tabloid stance of banks/financial services and professional firms as being somehow harmful to our economy Probiz are fundamentally a group of accountants who act under the umbrella of "Probiz". They are a business advisory company who deal in professional services. Much like PWC - Ernst and Young This may involve accountancy services including financial reporting, taxation and business restructuring. It will also include services such as corporate finance, legal and statutory services and marketing services, along with providing things such as detailed business plans to companies to help assist banks with lending overdrafts. Of the services above i think you will the majority help to create value for their clients rather than as you put it "help them to not pay as much tax". Moving onto your second point: This talk of the wealthy people paying accountants to pay less tax is true. However what you have to remember is that if a wealthy individual saves tax via an accountant it leaves him or his company with more income to spend or invest. i.e. to create new businesses and in turn create new jobs - who in turn pay tax on their earnings. All individuals in society pay a basic rate of tax on all their earnings. 20% on pay up to £40k. Whilst the wealthier pay twice as much tax as basic rate tax payers on income of the £40k threshold. This idea that somehow the poor pay more because the rich pay less as you can see is simply incorrect. What accountants do is simply apply the rules to a scenario so as to minimise client’s tax. We do not make the rules. We do not bend the rules (unless we want to go to jail). If you want to blame anyone blame all politicians as they make the rules. If you really want know what accountants do - so next time you feel like insulting a profession/firm/individual who the majority of society hold in high esteem have a look here: www.icaew.com

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:49 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Georgie Best on a Bloomer wrote:

Tricky2309 wrote:

Bonzo wrote:

Tricky2309 wrote:

It all sounds really good, but this is not Premier League Football, if he thinks you are going to attract a load of fans from overseas he is not as smart a business man as he thinks he is.

If you don't try, you'll never know.

Tricky2309 wrote:

I still think the fact one of his main businesses involves tax efficiency (or is it avoidance) is not necessarily something that ties in with the values of a RL club but thats just my opinion.

So it's not within the values of an RL club to create wealth and maximise profitability? If the company were specialising in illegal services I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be trading.

Tax efficiency is usually a term associated with very wealthy people who can afford to pay Accountants and firms like PROBIZ to avoid paying their dues in relation to taxes. Why else is his client bank including numerous celebrities/pro sports people. This in turn makes the rest of us average earning Joes have to pay more to fill the gap

I hope you can look in the eyes of our starving brothers and sisters in Africa and say that with sincerity. I'm sure they'll believe just how strong your argument is.

Sorry , but I am not quite sure what your point is and what relevance it has to mine?

Sorry. Moaning about "us average earning Joes having to pay more to fill the gap" would be sickening to those who have nothing at all.

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:52 pm  

Hatfield tiger wrote: i personally find this talk of underhand business activities, tax avoidance, and a lack of moral ethics somewhat of a personal insult. I am a chartered accountant and am proud to say i am. The average chartered accountant will spend at least six years one way or another training and passing exams before they can use the term chartered accountant. They then spend another two years post qualification before they can even represent a client and a further two before you can sign a set of accounts or tax computations. It is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country (potentially behind law and medicine) and every year i have to submit details of why i am a "fit a proper individual" to represent clients to a panel at the icaew to be allowed to continue practicing. Combine that with the six monthly ethics training i have to attend and you may begin to understand why the implication that the industry and the firms within it are somehow "dodgy" is somewhat offensive. Before you start to discredit a firm you may actually wish to understand what these companies do. And i mean really understand what they do rather than take the tabloid stance of banks/financial services and professional firms as being somehow harmful to our economy Probiz are fundamentally a group of accountants who act under the umbrella of "Probiz". They are a business advisory company who deal in professional services. Much like PWC - Ernst and Young This may involve accountancy services including financial reporting, taxation and business restructuring. It will also include services such as corporate finance, legal and statutory services and marketing services, along with providing things such as detailed business plans to companies to help assist banks with lending overdrafts. Of the services above i think you will the majority help to create value for their clients rather than as you put it "help them to not pay as much tax". Moving onto your second point: This talk of the wealthy people paying accountants to pay less tax is true. However what you have to remember is that if a wealthy individual saves tax via an accountant it leaves him or his company with more income to spend or invest. i.e. to create new businesses and in turn create new jobs - who in turn pay tax on their earnings. All individuals in society pay a basic rate of tax on all their earnings. 20% on pay up to £40k. Whilst the wealthier pay twice as much tax as basic rate tax payers on income of the £40k threshold. This idea that somehow the poor pay more because the rich pay less as you can see is simply incorrect. What accountants do is simply apply the rules to a scenario so as to minimise client’s tax. We do not make the rules. We do not bend the rules (unless we want to go to jail). If you want to blame anyone blame all politicians as they make the rules. If you really want know what accountants do - so next time you feel like insulting a profession/firm/individual who the majority of society hold in high esteem have a look here: http://www.icaew.com I dont slag anyone off who can help me dodge any tax at all. Im sick of being taxed up to the tash, every corner you turn your robbed legally, and next 20% Vat !!!!!

Hatfield tiger wrote: i personally find this talk of underhand business activities, tax avoidance, and a lack of moral ethics somewhat of a personal insult. I am a chartered accountant and am proud to say i am. The average chartered accountant will spend at least six years one way or another training and passing exams before they can use the term chartered accountant. They then spend another two years post qualification before they can even represent a client and a further two before you can sign a set of accounts or tax computations. It is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country (potentially behind law and medicine) and every year i have to submit details of why i am a "fit a proper individual" to represent clients to a panel at the icaew to be allowed to continue practicing. Combine that with the six monthly ethics training i have to attend and you may begin to understand why the implication that the industry and the firms within it are somehow "dodgy" is somewhat offensive. Before you start to discredit a firm you may actually wish to understand what these companies do. And i mean really understand what they do rather than take the tabloid stance of banks/financial services and professional firms as being somehow harmful to our economy Probiz are fundamentally a group of accountants who act under the umbrella of "Probiz". They are a business advisory company who deal in professional services. Much like PWC - Ernst and Young This may involve accountancy services including financial reporting, taxation and business restructuring. It will also include services such as corporate finance, legal and statutory services and marketing services, along with providing things such as detailed business plans to companies to help assist banks with lending overdrafts. Of the services above i think you will the majority help to create value for their clients rather than as you put it "help them to not pay as much tax". Moving onto your second point: This talk of the wealthy people paying accountants to pay less tax is true. However what you have to remember is that if a wealthy individual saves tax via an accountant it leaves him or his company with more income to spend or invest. i.e. to create new businesses and in turn create new jobs - who in turn pay tax on their earnings. All individuals in society pay a basic rate of tax on all their earnings. 20% on pay up to £40k. Whilst the wealthier pay twice as much tax as basic rate tax payers on income of the £40k threshold. This idea that somehow the poor pay more because the rich pay less as you can see is simply incorrect. What accountants do is simply apply the rules to a scenario so as to minimise client’s tax. We do not make the rules. We do not bend the rules (unless we want to go to jail). If you want to blame anyone blame all politicians as they make the rules. If you really want know what accountants do - so next time you feel like insulting a profession/firm/individual who the majority of society hold in high esteem have a look here: http://www.icaew.com I dont slag anyone off who can help me dodge any tax at all. Im sick of being taxed up to the tash, every corner you turn your robbed legally, and next 20% Vat !!!!!

Re: Business Tycoon banks his money in Castleford : Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:56 pm  

Hatfield tiger wrote: i personally find this talk of underhand business activities, tax avoidance, and a lack of moral ethics somewhat of a personal insult. I am a chartered accountant and am proud to say i am. The average chartered accountant will spend at least six years one way or another training and passing exams before they can use the term chartered accountant. They then spend another two years post qualification before they can even represent a client and a further two before you can sign a set of accounts or tax computations. It is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country (potentially behind law and medicine) and every year i have to submit details of why i am a "fit a proper individual" to represent clients to a panel at the icaew to be allowed to continue practicing. Combine that with the six monthly ethics training i have to attend and you may begin to understand why the implication that the industry and the firms within it are somehow "dodgy" is somewhat offensive. Before you start to discredit a firm you may actually wish to understand what these companies do. And i mean really understand what they do rather than take the tabloid stance of banks/financial services and professional firms as being somehow harmful to our economy Probiz are fundamentally a group of accountants who act under the umbrella of "Probiz". They are a business advisory company who deal in professional services. Much like PWC - Ernst and Young This may involve accountancy services including financial reporting, taxation and business restructuring. It will also include services such as corporate finance, legal and statutory services and marketing services, along with providing things such as detailed business plans to companies to help assist banks with lending overdrafts. Of the services above i think you will the majority help to create value for their clients rather than as you put it "help them to not pay as much tax". Moving onto your second point: This talk of the wealthy people paying accountants to pay less tax is true. However what you have to remember is that if a wealthy individual saves tax via an accountant it leaves him or his company with more income to spend or invest. i.e. to create new businesses and in turn create new jobs - who in turn pay tax on their earnings. All individuals in society pay a basic rate of tax on all their earnings. 20% on pay up to £40k. Whilst the wealthier pay twice as much tax as basic rate tax payers on income of the £40k threshold. This idea that somehow the poor pay more because the rich pay less as you can see is simply incorrect. What accountants do is simply apply the rules to a scenario so as to minimise client’s tax. We do not make the rules. We do not bend the rules (unless we want to go to jail). If you want to blame anyone blame all politicians as they make the rules. If you really want know what accountants do - so next time you feel like insulting a profession/firm/individual who the majority of society hold in high esteem have a look here: http://www.icaew.com

Hatfield tiger wrote: i personally find this talk of underhand business activities, tax avoidance, and a lack of moral ethics somewhat of a personal insult. I am a chartered accountant and am proud to say i am. The average chartered accountant will spend at least six years one way or another training and passing exams before they can use the term chartered accountant. They then spend another two years post qualification before they can even represent a client and a further two before you can sign a set of accounts or tax computations. It is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country (potentially behind law and medicine) and every year i have to submit details of why i am a "fit a proper individual" to represent clients to a panel at the icaew to be allowed to continue practicing. Combine that with the six monthly ethics training i have to attend and you may begin to understand why the implication that the industry and the firms within it are somehow "dodgy" is somewhat offensive. Before you start to discredit a firm you may actually wish to understand what these companies do. And i mean really understand what they do rather than take the tabloid stance of banks/financial services and professional firms as being somehow harmful to our economy Probiz are fundamentally a group of accountants who act under the umbrella of "Probiz". They are a business advisory company who deal in professional services. Much like PWC - Ernst and Young This may involve accountancy services including financial reporting, taxation and business restructuring. It will also include services such as corporate finance, legal and statutory services and marketing services, along with providing things such as detailed business plans to companies to help assist banks with lending overdrafts. Of the services above i think you will the majority help to create value for their clients rather than as you put it "help them to not pay as much tax". Moving onto your second point: This talk of the wealthy people paying accountants to pay less tax is true. However what you have to remember is that if a wealthy individual saves tax via an accountant it leaves him or his company with more income to spend or invest. i.e. to create new businesses and in turn create new jobs - who in turn pay tax on their earnings. All individuals in society pay a basic rate of tax on all their earnings. 20% on pay up to £40k. Whilst the wealthier pay twice as much tax as basic rate tax payers on income of the £40k threshold. This idea that somehow the poor pay more because the rich pay less as you can see is simply incorrect. What accountants do is simply apply the rules to a scenario so as to minimise client’s tax. We do not make the rules. We do not bend the rules (unless we want to go to jail). If you want to blame anyone blame all politicians as they make the rules. If you really want know what accountants do - so next time you feel like insulting a profession/firm/individual who the majority of society hold in high esteem have a look here: http://www.icaew.com