Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:33 am  

wakeytom wrote:

It was hardly a close game for the referee to have such a big influence on!

Maybe at full-time yes. But at 4-0 when we scored, it would have been 4-4 or 6-4 to us. And then we had another try disallowed at 10-0, which would have brought it 10-4/10-6.

The complexion of the game changed from that point forward.

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:30 pm  

As a neutral I definitely thought the game was altered entirely by those poor decisions. They would have been less offensive if Leeds themselves hadn't scored off tries that actually were forward. Cas's momentum was wrecked by bad decision making in the first half.

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:52 pm  

Saint_Claire wrote:

As a neutral I definitely thought the game was altered entirely by those poor decisions. They would have been less offensive if Leeds themselves hadn't scored off tries that actually were forward. Cas's momentum was wrecked by bad decision making in the first half.

A saints fan talking about other teams scoring from forward passes is a fooking wind up!

I don't know how you have the cheek?

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:54 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

A saints fan talking about other teams scoring from forward passes is a fooling wind up!

I don't know how you have the cheek?

All teams score from forward passes at some point. Anybody stating otherwise is burying their head in the sand. What is an issue is the fact that some teams get away with it more often than not; not just that but the rules aren't applied evenly with refereeing so inconsistent across the board that some times are being penalised more where others aren't.

Yesterday's game was just one example of that - you can't give a 50/50 call against Cas and then Leeds do the same and get away with it. It should be fair and both tries should be pulled up or neither.

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:07 pm  

I was speaking to a friend some time ago and we were talking about attracting new supporters to the game and he came out with what i class as a very honest answer he stated "I could bring a friend to a superleague game on week 1 and he could come away having thoroughly enjoyed the experience, then on week 2 take him to another game and he will see a game where players are getting penalised for things they got away with the week before and the things that were penalised the week before they will get away with on week 2, how confusing is that for someone who is trying to learn the game" and i honestly think he has a point one week the refs have a one directive and the next week they forget that one and start pulling something else.

So far over the last 8 days we have had a ref who couldn't hear his touch judge (who should have stood his ground and stayed where he was instead of walking towards the ref) say a player had score from an offside position, a ref who on 3 occassions struggled to count to 6 then on another counted 7, then last night a ref who pulled for forward passes that didn't exist and let blatant forward passes go. Is there any wonder the players heads go down????

We have the respect policy within rugby league, - I want to know when the ref's will start respecting the players??????

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:10 pm  

Fully wrote:

All teams score from forward passes at some point. Anybody stating otherwise is burying their head in the sand. What is an issue is the fact that some teams get away with it more often than not; not just that but the rules aren't applied evenly with refereeing so inconsistent across the board that some times are being penalised more where others aren't.

Yesterday's game was just one example of that - you can't give a 50/50 call against Cas and then Leeds do the same and get away with it. It should be fair and both tries should be pulled up or neither.

I agree with what you are saying.

But the Leeds try and the Cas no tries were totally different plays. I think some of you have a problem with the Jjb try? Leeds fired 2 short flat balls close to the defensive line. The ablett one might have been forward? The Jjb one was flat, I'm not sure if it was forward. But they are shot, sharp flat passes cloth to the defence. They are really hard to rule on for the refs. The long looping passes To the wingers are much easier to rule on and sometimes look forward even when they go back! The Cas passes fall into the second type and looked forward, the second was about 1.5 meters forward.

You can't say the refs let Leeds go and pull Cas as they are totally different plays!

Leeds would have beaten Wigan by 20 points a few weeks ago if silverwood hadn't hammered leeds for the same as he did Cas. He's very keen on pulling that play right now. A bit of thinking from Cas prematch might have helped Cas avoid what happend! Leeds left out their go to play(the same one cas got pulled for) as they new silverwood would be all over it! Clever by Leeds, not so by Cas.

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:13 pm  

Distance doesn't make a difference IMO. They were both 50/50 and Leeds got the rub of the green in both decisions and both were costly for Cas.

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:26 pm  

Fully wrote:

Distance doesn't make a difference IMO. They were both 50/50 and Leeds got the rub of the green in both decisions and both were costly for Cas.

Of course the distance matters? At hi speed close to the defensive line the short flat ball is really hard to rule on. The ref and touchies get very little time to see the flight of the ball or get a good angle to view it. The long looping cut out pass to the winger is much easier to see as it's close to the touch judge and the ball is in flight for an age compared to a shot sharp flat ball.

You must know that? or at least be able to use reason and logic to accept that?

The long looping cut out pass is Leeds go to play! But they left it out of this weeks game plan as silverdud is hammering teams for it every week! As he did 4 times in the first half against Leeds when Leeds played Wigan a few weeks back. As I said clever Leeds, good preparation. Not so clever Cas. Matterson missed a trick there.

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:05 pm  

So forward passes over a metre are allowed and forward passes over ten metres aren't,I get it now.

Re: Is there any other sport... : Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:10 pm  

007 wrote:

So forward passes over a metre are allowed and forward passes over ten metres aren't,I get it now.

I never said that. Totally didn't get my post at all.
No neither are allowed pal. The passes over a meter are much tougher to see and rule on than the long passes!

twisting anothers point of view is never a good luck.