If the art of turning a player on his back at the PTB is called turtling a player, then the method of doing this using an ancient chinese martial art must be a ninja turtle surely, add to this a player of say......17,18,19 possibly from cumbria/possibly whitehaven...or maybe even featherstone, doing it, then it becomes a teenage mutant ninja turtle .......ooooooooo i say, i have just had an idea for a kids cartoon
