Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:49 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

How do you work that one out?

How can you be punished for something in the game that is not against the rules of the game?

The rules didn't change you know just because Cas fans kicked up a stink about their own punishment. You were punished within the rules of the game. I have seen enough of your posts to know you are not foolish, so surely you are not daft enough to think clubs should be punished outside of the rules?

It says in the rfl respect policy that no form of discrimination will be tolerated, if we ignore one form of discrimination and punish another it shows that some forms of discrimination will be tolerated and i think we can both agree that is wrong.

The rules can be changed and applied retrospectivly in order to deal with an issue that is against rfl policy but not in the letter of the law (such as punishing hull for fielding an illegible player in the cup despite no punishment being in the rules beforehand), its pretty clear that if the rfls policy is to not tolerate any form of discrimination then the rules should be in place to reflect that.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:50 pm  

waltontiger wrote:

The policy is matter of fact and not open to interpretation or else it would be vague guidelines and not a policy.

There is no policy on fat or ginger chants. Show me where it states that anywhere in a policy.

What it does enforce is adhering to the family image, which is going all the way down to grass roots level. It also states that you should not be allowed to attend a game under the influence of alchohol, is that enforced?

But where it is clear in it's policy is to follow the laws of the country and society in general, where it makes clear, Racist, Homophobic, or Sexual chants/comments will not be tolerated and punishment will be made.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:57 pm  

So are you saying abusing "fat or Ginger" is acceptable.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:59 pm  

pyeman wrote:

It says in the rfl respect policy that no form of discrimination will be tolerated, if we ignore one form of discrimination and punish another it shows that some forms of discrimination will be tolerated and i think we can both agree that is wrong.

The rules can be changed and applied retrospectivly in order to deal with an issue that is against rfl policy but not in the letter of the law (such as punishing hull for fielding an illegible player in the cup despite no punishment being in the rules beforehand), its pretty clear that if the rfls policy is to not tolerate any form of discrimination then the rules should be in place to reflect that.

You really are scraping the barrell.

This is the defintion that the RFL follow to the letter.

Discrimination
To treat one particular group of people less favourably than others because of their race, colour, nationality, or ethnic or national origin. The law in Britain recognises two kinds of racial discrimination: direct and indirect. Direct discrimination occurs when race, colour, nationality, or ethnic or national origin is used as an explicit reason for discriminating. Indirect discrimination occurs when there are rules, regulations or procedures operating, which have the effect of discriminating against certain groups of people

The indirect discrimination defined here would by Homophobia which the RFL clearly have set as a rule.

They have no such rule for Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, or the like. And nor are they ever likely to have such a rule until society or a goverment act is brough in to do so.

However, should a young kid at grass roots level go to his local junior club and be refused permisison to play because the coach says he's ginger, then I am pretty confident the RFL would not look to favourably on that incident.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:01 pm  

waltontiger wrote:

So are you saying abusing "fat or Ginger" is acceptable.

Are you saying Schools should punish kids for calling another Fat, Ginger, Big Eared?

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:05 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

You really are scraping the barrell.

This is the defintion that the RFL follow to the letter.

The indirect discrimination defined here would by Homophobia which the RFL clearly have set as a rule.

They have no such rule for Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, or the like. And nor are they ever likely to have such a rule until society or a goverment act is brough in to do so.

However, should a young kid at grass roots level go to his local junior club and be refused permisison to play because the coach says he's ginger, then I am pretty confident the RFL would not look to favourably on that incident.

I dont know how you 'get scraping the bottom of the barrel' it sounds more like you wish to ignore the points i raised, in the rfl respect policy the exact phrase 'no form of discrimination will be tolerated' is used, not we will only protect certain groups in this list.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:08 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Are you saying Schools should punish kids for calling another Fat, Ginger, Big Eared?

I should hope they would like any other form of bullying. If we teach kids that some forms of discrimination are ok then we will never get rid of it.

Allowing some groups to be abused and not others is bigotry itself.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:10 pm  

If there are homophobic chants heard at the Raceourse Ground in Wrexham

Who gets fined ?

If there are homophobic , racist or sexist chants heard at the KC stadium , the LSV or the Stobart stadium

Who gets fined ?

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:10 pm  

Sam Buca wrote:

So we're going to complain about every game then?

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:11 pm  

pyeman wrote:

I dont know how you 'get scraping the bottom of the barrel' it sounds more like you wish to ignore the points i raised, in the rfl respect policy the exact phrase 'no form of discrimination will be tolerated' is used, not we will only protect certain groups in this list.

And that discrimination is defined above. Look it up.

The only form of direct discrimination is race, colour, nationality, or ethnic or national origin. So when the RFL say will not be tolerated that is what they are talking about.

They further clarify in their policy that Homophobia will also not be tolerated, which is defined as Indirect discrimination. Indirect disrcimination is dealt with by specific rules.

The RFL have no specifica rules for, Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, 12 fingered, or the like.

Therefore they are following their policy appropriately.