Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:33 am  

Bonzo wrote:

...they'd do well to remember that there are other criteria besides having a fancy stadium or being an expansion club.

Well said Bonzo, a point that seems to be passing a lot of people by. Aren't there 12 points of assessment, with the ground and location being just 1 point each?

The solvency of the club also generates 1 point IIRC (I stand to be corrected on that), which seems to be a tick in our box which other clubs may not get.

I get the feeling that the assessment of the criteria may be 'flexible' from the RFLs point of view....

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:52 am  

jourdmart wrote:

I get the feeling that the assessment of the criteria may be 'flexible' from the RFLs point of view....

Possibly to the point of bending over backwards I hazard to guess....

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:43 pm  

Bonzo wrote:

For what it's worth I no longer consider Catalans in the same bracket as Harlequins and Crusaders because they've built themselves a strong fan base and are a proven success story when it comes to expansion. One would also assume that they're financially solvent given the absence of any news reports claiming the contrary; something that can't be said about the other two.

Is that the team that have had years to develop with no threat of relegation (which cost us relegation one year) A team built on numerous aussies/stacey jones etc and with the ability to sign players that no other clubs can sign due to british visa requirements. A team that creates no wealth for other clubs with no away support revenue, so who foots the bill ? Oh yes it's the core clubs like us footing the bill.
Oh and the success of catalans, oh yes i remember bottom of the league.

Catalans Great away trip if you can afford it but a proven success story i don't think so. thats why i name them with the other two expansion clubs.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:23 pm  

Is that the team that have had years to develop with no threat of relegation (which cost us relegation one year) A team built on numerous aussies/stacey jones etc and with the ability to sign players that no other clubs can sign due to british visa requirements. A team that creates no wealth for other clubs with no away support revenue, so who foots the bill ? Oh yes it's the core clubs like us footing the bill.
Oh and the success of catalans, oh yes i remember bottom of the league.

Catalans Great away trip if you can afford it but a proven success story i don't think so. thats why i name them with the other two expansion clubs.

Produce there own players, Better home crowds than us and Self funding. Cant see what your prob is with them ?? or is it we havent got our ground sorted after years of RW bullshat and scared we might get the boot bitterness coming throu

They have acheived more than us in 10 years than we have in 100, and dont talk to me about cas youth production line as it has sweet fa to do with cas, They dont get involved. I have had more help from Leeds both Hulls and even Wakie than Cas

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:01 pm  

binks wrote:

Produce there own players, Better home crowds than us and Self funding. Cant see what your prob is with them ?? or is it we havent got our ground sorted after years of RW bullshat and scared we might get the boot bitterness coming throu

They have acheived more than us in 10 years than we have in 100, and dont talk to me about cas youth production line as it has sweet fa to do with cas, They dont get involved. I have had more help from Leeds both Hulls and even Wakie than Cas

You totally missed my point about the expansion team and their success or as i pointed out, the lack of it after 10 years. Once again " BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE" After all the help from RFL and their time with no relegation.
And just to be clear i am not bitter about Catalans, just merely pointing out the lack ok of success.

As for their home grown talent they do have the whole of france to go at and after all the time they have had to develop these players, they don't have that many.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:32 pm  

Oi Binks sort out your quote!!!!!

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:01 am  

waltontiger wrote:

Oi Binks sort out your quote!!!!!

Sorry no idea how that happened ??

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:10 am  

binks wrote:

Sorry no idea how that happened ??

Thats what they all say!

No wonder I get such a reputation with all these misquotes!

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:47 am  

deeman forever Cas wrote:

Is that the team that have had years to develop with no threat of relegation (which cost us relegation one year) A team built on numerous aussies/stacey jones etc and with the ability to sign players that no other clubs can sign due to british visa requirements. A team that creates no wealth for other clubs with no away support revenue, so who foots the bill ? Oh yes it's the core clubs like us footing the bill.
Oh and the success of catalans, oh yes i remember bottom of the league.

Catalans Great away trip if you can afford it but a proven success story i don't think so. thats why i name them with the other two expansion clubs.

Let's not forget that they've also finished 3rd in the league and made other playoff finishes, along with challenge cup final and semi-final appearances in recent years. If anything they've been inconsistent and endured some poor seasons, but in 2006 we knew the rules at the start of the season and whilst they were unfair (and sucked big style), and we gained a huge number of league points for a relegated team, there were still too many games where we underperformed and didn't get the result we should have. Then there was the whole Wigan salary cap thing too, but that's another (very old and put to bed) story.

We finished bottom ourselves in 2008 before finishing 7th in 2009 - that's an example of how a club can develop when protected from relegation and Catalans proved that in subsequent years from 2006. It's just a shame that it was at our expense.

As Binks says they are producing their own players, have a strong fan base and are financially sound. Compare them with other 'expansion' clubs and they blow them out of the water in each of those categoroies. Granted they bring very few fans to games out our place, but so do Crusaders and Harlequins. We have to consider the fact that French Rugby League isn't yet strong enough to support a premier competition like Super League. The presence of Catalans in our league is helping that and perhaps one day we'll see a competitve French Super League, after all the Perpignan area is a hotbed for the game and that's the reason Catalans (as an expansion club) are a success whilst others have failed.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:01 pm  

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