: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:10 pm  

tb wrote:

No.

Just that as an argument: wearing colours is crap because these people who famously don't wear colours (originally to avoid the police) don't wear colours" is crap.

I'm not saying that at all. The fact they aren't wearing replicas was a secondary point.

They might not be wearing colours but there is plenty of colour (demonstrating club loyalty) on the flags, and I think they'd struggle to avoid the police with those flags!

[tb]

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:14 pm  

El Tigre wrote:

I'm not saying that at all. The fact they aren't wearing replicas was a secondary point.

They might not be wearing colours but there is plenty of colour (demonstrating club loyalty) on the flags, and I think they'd struggle to avoid the police with those flags!

Fair point (and the thing about the police was just an aside to the original emergence of 'casuals' with groups like West Ham's ICF, in the bad old days of football hooliganism)

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:25 pm  

El Tigre wrote: Would do in a round-about way. Improvement of atmosphere = attracting more paying fans through the gate. I have some Puma gear and the quality of these products far out-weighs anything sold in the club shop and cost half the price. If the stuff the club sells was priced comparitively I wouldn't have a problem, but the mark up because of the club crest is outrageous and demonstrates the contempt with which we are thought of by those running the club. The chopping & changing of kits and "leisurewear" every season is a p!ss take and serves only to alienate supporters who, over time, get more and more disillusioned with kit changes and 'fall out of love' with the club - this does happen. RE - Flags Take a look at the below and tell me Cas wouldn't benefit from something like this (minus the smoke, obviously) ps - note the lack of replicas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j6yWmzG ... re=related The club needs revenue, they will do whatever they can to generate it, they are after all a business . I would hardly call changing the shirt once a year "contempt towards the fans". They don't force people to buy the bloody things. I have put a lot of money into the club over the years not just through buying shirts and entry fees. But through sponsorship, and advertising the company I work for. Then people such as your good self can stand on the terraces, watching a half decent team,waving your little home made banner satisfied that you really have put the bare minimum into said team . But what would I know? I am just a marketing mans wet dream. Rather that than a tight c**t though!

El Tigre wrote: Would do in a round-about way. Improvement of atmosphere = attracting more paying fans through the gate. I have some Puma gear and the quality of these products far out-weighs anything sold in the club shop and cost half the price. If the stuff the club sells was priced comparitively I wouldn't have a problem, but the mark up because of the club crest is outrageous and demonstrates the contempt with which we are thought of by those running the club. The chopping & changing of kits and "leisurewear" every season is a p!ss take and serves only to alienate supporters who, over time, get more and more disillusioned with kit changes and 'fall out of love' with the club - this does happen. RE - Flags Take a look at the below and tell me Cas wouldn't benefit from something like this (minus the smoke, obviously) ps - note the lack of replicas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j6yWmzG ... re=related The club needs revenue, they will do whatever they can to generate it, they are after all a business . I would hardly call changing the shirt once a year "contempt towards the fans". They don't force people to buy the bloody things. I have put a lot of money into the club over the years not just through buying shirts and entry fees. But through sponsorship, and advertising the company I work for. Then people such as your good self can stand on the terraces, watching a half decent team,waving your little home made banner satisfied that you really have put the bare minimum into said team . But what would I know? I am just a marketing mans wet dream. Rather that than a tight c**t though!

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:40 pm  

Didn't realise I had picked on a super-fan.



So there are no other things the club can do to generate revenue other than changing the kit?

Kids want the new kits and pressurise parents to buy them. Parents make sacrifices to buy them (missing a few games) and then think "I haven't really missed that at all" and evetually stop going altogether.

Thus, if new kits were priced comparitively I wouldn't have a problem with them.

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:56 pm  

So there are no other things the club can do to generate revenue other than changing the kit?

Would you like to point out where I said (or even implied) that?

Kids want the new kits and pressurise parents to buy them. Parents make sacrifices to buy them (missing a few games) and then think "I haven't really missed that at all" and evetually stop going altogether.

Thus, if new kits were priced comparitively I wouldn't have a problem with them.

Did all the other kids have a nice new shirt, and all you had was your own little home made flag, with colours that constantly ran due to the little grey rain cloud that followed you around. As a result you have grown up with a strange inclination to hate replica Cas shirts?

If it helps make you feel any better I will send you my old shirt each year when I have done with it. Actually f**k it, if it will stop you wittering on I will bloody buy you one!

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:52 pm  

El Tigre wrote:

They might not be wearing colours but there is plenty of colour (demonstrating club loyalty) on the flags, and I think they'd struggle to avoid the police with those flags!

So what you're saying is that colour on the terraces adds to the supportive ambience The sort of colour you'd find on a flag or, say, a replica shirt?

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:44 pm  

El Tigre wrote:

Does the wearing of a replica show a higher level of support than someone who doesn't wear em?

Why do grown men with beer guts think wearing cheap materials designed for athletes is a good idea?

Never mind the touch and feel of the product; just buy it, wear it and walk around paying for the privilege of being an advertising board for our thousands of sponsors.

I go to the game and don't need a cheaply made (but expensive) piece of clothing to identify me to the club. Given the choice I'd far rather spend 40+ quid on a polo shirt that I won't feel compelled to replace 12 months on.

I suppose we are pretty miserable though to be fair.

That's the whole point of a replica shirt, and is why we still have a club today. You may not think replica shirts are not that much important revenue stream but it prrovides the whole financial input of the club.

As you so rightly said, replica shirts are a billboard of advertisements. Without things like that, we'd not have the financial input of sponsors who pay lots of money and all that goes into the maintenance and running of the club.

Cas on average sell 1000-1500 replica shirts at a guess - that's 400k on replica shirts and once more goes on player recruitment.

Think you need to stop thinking at the front cover and judging and delve deeper to actually find out why these things - and the changing of them every year are important to the entire foundation of the club.

: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:22 am  

Fully wrote:

Cas on average sell 1000-1500 replica shirts at a guess - that's 400k on replica shirts and once more goes on player recruitment.

Maths is obviously not a strong point then? 1,500 (max) sold at £40 equals £400,000? If you say so.

Railwayend - just stick your old shirt on a flag pole - job done.

The problem I have is that replicas are cheaply made poop, sold at vastly inflated prices as they have the club crest on. If I were paying that much for an item of clothing I'd want it to be of a higher quality than is provided and not feel it necessary to replace it every 12 months.

Tell you what they could do - put the prices of ST's up £25 and give a free replica.

: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:30 am  

El Tigre wrote:

Tell you what they could do - put the prices of ST's up £25 and give a free replica.

That's actually not the worst idea I have ever heard. If it was optional, I'm sure many would take up the chance for a cheaper shirt.

: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:46 am  

El Tigre wrote:

Tell you what they could do - put the prices of ST's up £25 and give a free replica.

I think that's a great idea tbh