: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:28 am  

LewisJ23 wrote:

Would rather share a stadium with Wakefield than be kicked out of Super League and i'm sure 90% of Wakefield & Cas fans would too.

Depends where the stadium was if it was in wakey i i dont think even half the cas fans would still attend (none of the people i go to matches with would) and i think there reverse would be true for wakey fans. You could try putting it slap bang in the middle, but that would mean it was a fair distance from both population centres which would lose both teams some fans.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:32 am  

pyeman wrote:

Sky money is pretty irrelevent to building a stadium, even if a team who had been in sl since day one had saved every penny of sky money they would still be hard pressed to afford a sl standard stadium with it. Whats more sky money is the primary means most clubs use to fund there squad so clubs have to spend most of it on players, otherwise (until last year) you got relegated and therefore lost access to said sky money. As for the teams in the nls that have built new stadia they should be applauded, but how many of them did it without local council funds? leigh didnt, widnes didnt, fax have had there stadia finished off by the council etc if wakey council were as helpfully as the council in these places then both us and wakey would probabley already be in shiny new stadia.

As you say, Sky money generally goes into the players pot and is more or less the difference between a Superleague squad and an National League squad, the stadium has to be funded from other areas.
As the vast majority of Superleague clubs don't actually make a profit, funding a stadium project really is an area where either third parties have to be brought in to invest or assets have to be sold, then such as our ground comes into play. That's one area at least where we have an advantage over a number of other clubs, as most don't own their ground, but then some of them have had the luxury of their local council building them a new facility.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:52 am  

pyeman wrote:

Sky money is pretty irrelevent to building a stadium, even if a team who had been in sl since day one had saved every penny of sky money they would still be hard pressed to afford a sl standard stadium with it. Whats more sky money is the primary means most clubs use to fund there squad so clubs have to spend most of it on players, otherwise (until last year) you got relegated and therefore lost access to said sky money. As for the teams in the nls that have built new stadia they should be applauded, but how many of them did it without local council funds? leigh didnt, widnes didnt, fax have had there stadia finished off by the council etc if wakey council were as helpfully as the council in these places then both us and wakey would probabley already be in shiny new stadia.

Point taken and very well made, but you can see how frustrated some championship teams get when there stadia in some cases are better than super league clubs. I think the RFL have turned this into a complete farce they introduced the franchise system to stop clubs making rash quick fix decisions, but in actual fact it is having the opposite effect on clubs desperate to either get in or stay in super league. The letter sent out is an eg. Both Cas and Wakey will do anything to make sure there grounds are up quickly even making bad long term decisions. One simple answer to all this nonsense is 2 full time divisions with P+R that way all the clubs with ambitions can be accomodated not just the select few Lewis and Woods want

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:58 am  

rovers wrote:

Point taken and very well made, but you can see how frustrated some championship teams get when there stadia in some cases are better than super league clubs. I think the RFL have turned this into a complete farce they introduced the franchise system to stop clubs making rash quick fix decisions, but in actual fact it is having the opposite effect on clubs desperate to either get in or stay in super league. The letter sent out is an eg. Both Cas and Wakey will do anything to make sure there grounds are up quickly even making bad long term decisions. One simple answer to all this nonsense is 2 full time divisions with P+R that way all the clubs with ambitions can be accomodated not just the select few Lewis and Woods want

I think this is the first time I ever agreed with a Fev fan .

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:49 am  

rovers wrote:

Point taken and very well made, but you can see how frustrated some championship teams get when there stadia in some cases are better than super league clubs. I think the RFL have turned this into a complete farce they introduced the franchise system to stop clubs making rash quick fix decisions, but in actual fact it is having the opposite effect on clubs desperate to either get in or stay in super league. The letter sent out is an eg. Both Cas and Wakey will do anything to make sure there grounds are up quickly even making bad long term decisions. One simple answer to all this nonsense is 2 full time divisions with P+R that way all the clubs with ambitions can be accomodated not just the select few Lewis and Woods want

I really can understand your frustration and the frustration of other championship fans, and although i can see the benefit of franchising (for instance the number of youngsters playing in sl this year has been impressive and looks set to increase) the idea of a closed shop where you are discriminated against due to your post code, does not sit east with me, for me franchising will only be ultimatley succesful if it puts rl in the position where it is strong enough to reintroduce p and r (ie a fulltime 2nd tier, enough money to give parachute payments etc). I really do hope that all rl clubs who are pursuing new stadia whether they are in the championships or sl get there new stadiums, whether they be wakey, swinton feth, salford or haven.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:43 am  

LewisJ23 wrote:

Would rather share a stadium with Wakefield than be kicked out of Super League and i'm sure 90% of Wakefield & Cas fans would too.

I must be in the remaining 10% then.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:21 am  

Disco wrote:

I must be in the remaining 10% then.

Me too. I'll support my club no matter what, but I would never travel to Wakefield to watch Cas. Never. And I guess some of their fans feel the same way too.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:44 am  

As an outsider looking in, why not? what is the distance betweem your clubs? You both come under the borough of Wakefield so surely a combined 20k stadium would work better than two 13k stadia? Saints and Wigan are slightly different as we are 10miles + apart and there is nowhere inbetween to situate a stadium, but if we were closer and there was somewhere to put a combined stadium and it meant both clubs SL survival then i'd be for it.
If Milan can do it, why can't you?

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:49 am  

As I said on the VT, I'd be happy to share at Glasshoughton - part of Wakey and Cas. The Wakey fans don't want that though.

: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:50 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

As an outsider looking in, why not? what is the distance betweem your clubs? You both come under the borough of Wakefield so surely a combined 20k stadium would work better than two 13k stadia? Saints and Wigan are slightly different as we are 10miles + apart and there is nowhere inbetween to situate a stadium, but if we were closer and there was somewhere to put a combined stadium and it meant both clubs SL survival then i'd be for it.
If Milan can do it, why can't you?

Why dont you scrap plans on the UG site and go and share with Warrington or better still go and share with Widnes that way you could be the No1 team in that stadium and not play 2nd fiddle to the Wires. You know it makes sense if inter and ac can do it why cant you.