Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:41 pm  

Dan155 wrote:

If you think the answer to any big Rugby League problem is simple then the odds are you have a simple mind. Even as an expansionist, I wouldn't say that the answer to our problems is simply expansion. Let's analyse this ingenious plan of yours.

1) Stop ground sharing with soccer clubs.

Presumably this would involve Halifax, Hull FC, Huddersfield Giants, Wigan Warriors etc all vacating their 21st century stadiums to go....where exactly? Play on a park field? Build a new stadium? Well we can see how building a new one is working out with Cas and Wakey, turns out it's pretty hard to get your own stadium built. I should imagine it's even harder to secure funding for such a venture when your already playing in a very good stadium.


2) Kick Crusaders and Quins to the curb, regardless of whether they go bankrupt or manage to find new owners.

Sky use this as leverage to cut our TV Contract, all our junior work in the South East goes down the toilet, and the good people of Wrexham who have given Crusaders a larger fan base than Salford despite only being in the town less than a year stop watching the game. Oh and if the TV contract did get cut the RFL might just decide to reduce the size of Super league to 12 or 10 teams, which would surely see Cas or Wakey get kicked out anyway. Then again you would probably fail to see the reasoning behind that and put it down to a vast conspiracy by the RFL to destroy the game from within.

1)If it levels the playing field up a bit , then yes, make them fund a new stadium instead of bleating about clubs who are trying their dammndest to do so.
Soccer lodgers out

2) How many 'new' owners must the rfl finance, and to not believe that i this is going on is niaevety at its most obvious, Fact is , some hardworking club that is managing to keep its head above water (just) is going to be dumped for this farcical london 30 year experiment, as for sky , I emailed them and recieved an answer that the superleague package is not reliant on the member clubs, another myth destroyed

Time to close the money pit

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:11 pm  

Dan155 wrote:

If you think the answer to any big Rugby League problem is simple then the odds are you have a simple mind. Even as an expansionist, I wouldn't say that the answer to our problems is simply expansion. Let's analyse this ingenious plan of yours.

1) Stop ground sharing with soccer clubs.

Presumably this would involve Halifax, Hull FC, Huddersfield Giants, Wigan Warriors etc all vacating their 21st century stadiums to go....where exactly? Play on a park field? Build a new stadium? Well we can see how building a new one is working out with Cas and Wakey, turns out it's pretty hard to get your own stadium built. I should imagine it's even harder to secure funding for such a venture when your already playing in a very good stadium.

2) Kick Crusaders and Quins to the curb, regardless of whether they go bankrupt or manage to find new owners.


Sky use this as leverage to cut our TV Contract, all our junior work in the South East goes down the toilet, and the good people of Wrexham who have given Crusaders a larger fan base than Salford despite only being in the town less than a year stop watching the game. Oh and if the TV contract did get cut the RFL might just decide to reduce the size of Super league to 12 or 10 teams, which would surely see Cas or Wakey get kicked out anyway. Then again you would probably fail to see the reasoning behind that and put it down to a vast conspiracy by the RFL to destroy the game from within.

All you are doing is coming up with reasons why quims should stay in, Do you really think anyone will let their club be relegated for the sake of some so called expansion clubs, if you do you are smoking some illegal substance or giving it some in a glue bag. Expansion yes but not at the expense of my club, no way. You keep on about Sky dropping revenue if you are not in, Where is your proof of this, ? How did you get to this reasoning ? show me where Sky have said this, show me where the RFL or Sky say it will be a lesser team competition, Ill not hold my breath though.

Another point what you fail to take into account is the value of away support, Where is your support for away games ? Clubs rely on this revenue, as do your's so the rest of the SL clubs have to factor in that when your in town, they have to rely on the home support revenue alone, where as your club rubs there hands at traveling support income. How can this be sustained ?

Why do you resort to calling an individual names because they don't agree with you. Come back with a reasoned approach and you might get what your looking for, but if you really think Cas supporters will scream foul if your dumped then you are definitely smoking something, likewise i wouldn't expect you to give one about Cas if we get dumped,

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:00 pm  

best new poster wrote: cannot make my mind up if Gazemous is taking the mickey or not ? names two players from darn south ? what about scotland ? same distance theres more scotish playing the game than cockneys and no team up there get a grip ! What are you on about re Scotland? How many current SL players were born, bred and learnt their RL trade in Scotland? A few facts for you: Current internationals born and brought up in London and the South East: 2 Number of Quins players who have played in SL 2010 born and brought up in London and the South East: 13 Junior clubs in London: 25 Number of youth players in London in 2010: 2,000 Number of adult amateur players in London in 2010: 1,600 source Feel free to give accurate figures for Scotland... best new poster wrote: bullshitter ! It's eloquent discussion and debate like that that helps the glowing reputation our fans currently enjoy. I'll clarify my position on Quins: I believe they should be in SL if they satisfy the criteria, their crowds, finances and on field performances obviously are cause for concern, and they're clearly in danger of dropping out. The position of some people in the M62 corridor seems to be making up things based on misinformation, rumour and lies. It always seems to be fans of clubs who are also under threat that seem to purport these lies and it is, quite frankly, pathetic.

best new poster wrote: cannot make my mind up if Gazemous is taking the mickey or not ? names two players from darn south ? what about scotland ? same distance theres more scotish playing the game than cockneys and no team up there get a grip ! What are you on about re Scotland? How many current SL players were born, bred and learnt their RL trade in Scotland? A few facts for you: Current internationals born and brought up in London and the South East: 2 Number of Quins players who have played in SL 2010 born and brought up in London and the South East: 13 Junior clubs in London: 25 Number of youth players in London in 2010: 2,000 Number of adult amateur players in London in 2010: 1,600 source Feel free to give accurate figures for Scotland... best new poster wrote: bullshitter ! It's eloquent discussion and debate like that that helps the glowing reputation our fans currently enjoy. I'll clarify my position on Quins: I believe they should be in SL if they satisfy the criteria, their crowds, finances and on field performances obviously are cause for concern, and they're clearly in danger of dropping out. The position of some people in the M62 corridor seems to be making up things based on misinformation, rumour and lies. It always seems to be fans of clubs who are also under threat that seem to purport these lies and it is, quite frankly, pathetic.

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:56 pm  

Gazemous wrote: What are you on about re Scotland? How many current SL players were born, bred and learnt their RL trade in Scotland? A few facts for you: Current internationals born and brought up in London and the South East: 2 Number of Quins players who have played in SL 2010 born and brought up in London and the South East: 13 Junior clubs in London: 25 Number of youth players in London in 2010: 2,000 Number of adult amateur players in London in 2010: 1,600 source Feel free to give accurate figures for Scotland... It's eloquent discussion and debate like that that helps the glowing reputation our fans currently enjoy. I'll clarify my position on Quins: I believe they should be in SL if they satisfy the criteria, their crowds, finances and on field performances obviously are cause for concern, and they're clearly in danger of dropping out. The position of some people in the M62 corridor seems to be making up things based on misinformation, rumour and lies. It always seems to be fans of clubs who are also under threat that seem to purport these lies and it is, quite frankly, pathetic. Here Here well said that man

Gazemous wrote: What are you on about re Scotland? How many current SL players were born, bred and learnt their RL trade in Scotland? A few facts for you: Current internationals born and brought up in London and the South East: 2 Number of Quins players who have played in SL 2010 born and brought up in London and the South East: 13 Junior clubs in London: 25 Number of youth players in London in 2010: 2,000 Number of adult amateur players in London in 2010: 1,600 source Feel free to give accurate figures for Scotland... It's eloquent discussion and debate like that that helps the glowing reputation our fans currently enjoy. I'll clarify my position on Quins: I believe they should be in SL if they satisfy the criteria, their crowds, finances and on field performances obviously are cause for concern, and they're clearly in danger of dropping out. The position of some people in the M62 corridor seems to be making up things based on misinformation, rumour and lies. It always seems to be fans of clubs who are also under threat that seem to purport these lies and it is, quite frankly, pathetic. Here Here well said that man

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:49 pm  

There's been some robust defence of Quins by their supporters in recent weeks, particularly with regard to accusations that the RFL have bailed them out or that they have had preferential treatment, and looking into the issue I came across this news article on the BBC website from last year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 388266.stm Can anyone explain what Richard Lewis meant by "...there is no reason why they can't get good crowds and be a full paying member of the Super League," and "I think it is understandable that some people are saying there should be as much pressure on them as other clubs in terms of pulling their weight in Super League." Hardly a denial that they weren't getting preferential treatment. On Skytext at the moment it says, 'The RFL revealed last year there were concerns over crowd attendances at Quins, but they are determined to keep a Super League team in London.' All of this suggests to me Quins have been getting some extra help. The RFL certainly don't appear to be determined to keep a SL team anywhere else in England.

There's been some robust defence of Quins by their supporters in recent weeks, particularly with regard to accusations that the RFL have bailed them out or that they have had preferential treatment, and looking into the issue I came across this news article on the BBC website from last year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 388266.stm Can anyone explain what Richard Lewis meant by "...there is no reason why they can't get good crowds and be a full paying member of the Super League," and "I think it is understandable that some people are saying there should be as much pressure on them as other clubs in terms of pulling their weight in Super League." Hardly a denial that they weren't getting preferential treatment. On Skytext at the moment it says, 'The RFL revealed last year there were concerns over crowd attendances at Quins, but they are determined to keep a Super League team in London.' All of this suggests to me Quins have been getting some extra help. The RFL certainly don't appear to be determined to keep a SL team anywhere else in England.

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:43 am  

[quote="Dan155"]If you think the answer to any big Rugby League problem is simple then the odds are you have a simple mind.


Nopw then sunshine, you accused me of having a simple mind but you with your superior intelligence have yet to address my answer, you dont like the truth do you ?, just like that gutter rat fella.

lets be having your answers littleun

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:13 am  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:S ... ue_players you have more time on ya hand gaz you do the math. i think its going to be another crusaders this as the further north you move the more support you will get simples. i can see them moving next to a city like nottingham i bet theres more adult players playing there than london and south east i wonder what the ratio london/south east is to the nottingham area ? 1) how many grounds have they used as Fulham / London Crusaders / London Broncos / Harlequins ? 2) how much extra money have the rfl pumped in from 1980 ? theres two to start you off

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:S ... ue_players you have more time on ya hand gaz you do the math. i think its going to be another crusaders this as the further north you move the more support you will get simples. i can see them moving next to a city like nottingham i bet theres more adult players playing there than london and south east i wonder what the ratio london/south east is to the nottingham area ? 1) how many grounds have they used as Fulham / London Crusaders / London Broncos / Harlequins ? 2) how much extra money have the rfl pumped in from 1980 ? theres two to start you off

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:26 am  

best new poster wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Scottish_rugby_league_players
you have more time on ya hand gaz you do the math.

i think its going to be another crusaders this as the further north you move the more support you will get simples.
i can see them moving next to a city like nottingham i bet theres more adult players playing there than london and south east i wonder what the ratio london/south east is to the nottingham area ?

1) how many grounds have they used as Fulham / London Crusaders / London Broncos / Harlequins ?
2) how much extra money have the rfl pumped in from 1980 ?

theres two to start you off

I don't have the time, but the first name I spotted was Andrew Henderson - born in Torquay, brought up in Oz - he's hardly a born, bred and taught the game in Scotland Scot is he?

And besides, 1,600 vs 75? I'd calculate that as over 2000% more adult Londoners playing the sport at some level than Scots...

But anyway, let's change the record eh? You're obviously wrong in saying nobody plays the game in London, because that's clearly not the case. You can argue crowds and be right, finances and be right, but to say RL in London isn't working and nobody is playing is clearly, unequivocally wrong.

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:37 am  

whos said no ones playing in london like ?
theres people playing in every corner of the country !
record numbers of schools teams playing in london great this is all down to harliquins ?
give me a break if this was the case harliquins would be 10,000 every week.

in thirty years two home grown players have played for there country ?
in thirty years there crowds have not turned up ?
in thirty years its been a money pit ?

Re: Harelequins RL ask RFL for assistance : Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:23 pm  

What i fail to understand is where are all these RL players in terms of the home counties i.e. Herfordshire Buckhamshire etc are. we keep hearing of the great expansion of teh game into teh South but is it infact only expanding where the RFL are pumping in cash. There are no Schools playing the game in this area. there is not even an under 18 team playing as Herts RL ie a county organisation which there is for RU.

The 2 main clubs in these areas are St Albans (forget the nickname) and Luton Vipers. Now the first of these clubs St Albans actually play at Old Albanians ground in St Albans a RU club and if i am right have had to merge with Hemel Stags.

What this experiment illustartes to me is that if the RFL throw money at one area i.e. London then people will play but it is not spreading the game outside of this area. Once the cash starts to dry up - which it will ineviatably do will the interest also die off. Is there a stong enough base to survive?

Injecting cash and resources to an area will create interest - it certainly did after the world cup win for the Union team and even for Cricket after the ashes tour - but even with that imputus they still never made an impact on Football. Is the same likley to happen with RL?

To the North of London you have the majority of people who follow Rugby supporting Union teams such as Wasps or Saracens, whilts to the South of London you have the real RU strong holds.

Has it been worth the money injected? - i dont know the answer; 2 players have played for their country and yes more juniors are playing in London but if the money had been injected into areas where there are existing facilities (in need of investment) and where coaches with knowledge of the game are would we have developed more players to rival the Australians. After all having a competitive GB set up was the point of franchising or at least one of the reasons.