Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:01 pm  

mdean wrote:

In the BBC article it cites their "achievement making the play offs" which is notable, but against a business model they couldn't afford, that isn't an achievement - Leeds United anyone.

Cas may have a modest squad with modest achievement, but we cut our cloth to what we can afford, thats the point here surely? Anyone could make the play-offs every year if they spent a disproportionate amount compared to their income.

Leeds United was a total different kettle of fish, would we have done well in the CL that year we would have been one of the biggest clubs in the world right now.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:24 pm  

tb wrote:

Is it? From what I've read - and I'll admit that details are sketchy - the issue seems to be inherited debt from the Leighton Samuels years rather than any indication of spending on players being out of control …

Ah, if that's the case then I guess it's not. I wouldn't say I've got any/all the facts. Just wary of how clubs go into administration so rapidly.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:27 pm  

LewisJ23 wrote:

Leeds United was a total different kettle of fish, would we have done well in the CL that year we would have been one of the biggest clubs in the world right now.

How is it a different kettle of fish? You didn't do well in the CL, therefore the gamble that was made by the chairman/club didn't pay off and Leeds are where they are now due to that gamble (well helped by it).
I believe Peter Risdales quote was "We lived the dream" as Risdale resigned to the fact that he had gambled with cash Leeds didn't have and had to start selling their assets (Jonathan Woodgate in that case).

[tb]

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:59 pm  

Gazemous wrote:

Ah, if that's the case then I guess it's not. I wouldn't say I've got any/all the facts. Just wary of how clubs go into administration so rapidly.

Mind, I don't agree with dropping the 50% rule.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:29 pm  

First reaction is the sport will lose all credibility if they award another franchise to Crusaders (or whatever they will call themselves next year) at our expense when we continue to give local youngsters a chance in the side and made a small profit last year.

If they do i wouldn't go to any event organised by the r.f.l ever again

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:00 pm  

Had the RFL not rushed Crusaders in to SL then this might not have happened. Had they given them support and guidance for a few more years then they may have been ready for THIS set of franchise applications with a CLUB that is ready for SL. Anyone can throw a team together that has the potential to make the top eight for one season. But it's about attracting much more than a big name coach. Firm foundations need to be sorted, which the Welsh club have obviously struggled with given they still aren't sure where their home should be. These foundations go right through to the board and include fan base, sponsorship and much more. It's easy to look back and say "i told you so" but many people feared this would happen right from the off. Not everyone wanted to see them fail but anyone who points out their troubles will be tarnished as anti-expansionist. Annoyingly yet again, the sport i love looks extremely silly to the rest of the world when these kinds of things happen. How the RFL will cover this one up i'll never know, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:13 pm  

Correct Marshman on so many levels.

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:30 pm  

Fully wrote:

Correct Marshman on so many levels.

Indeed. I wonder how TB will counter these sobering thoughts??

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:38 am  

marshman wrote:

Had the RFL not rushed Crusaders in to SL then this might not have happened. Had they given them support and guidance for a few more years then they may have been ready for THIS set of franchise applications with a CLUB that is ready for SL. Anyone can throw a team together that has the potential to make the top eight for one season. But it's about attracting much more than a big name coach. Firm foundations need to be sorted, which the Welsh club have obviously struggled with given they still aren't sure where their home should be. These foundations go right through to the board and include fan base, sponsorship and much more. It's easy to look back and say "i told you so" but many people feared this would happen right from the off. Not everyone wanted to see them fail but anyone who points out their troubles will be tarnished as anti-expansionist. Annoyingly yet again, the sport i love looks extremely silly to the rest of the world when these kinds of things happen. How the RFL will cover this one up i'll never know, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.

Easy peasy marshy, they will make another stupid decision about keeping the welsh joke going (its so good for the game , you know , having 1122 at a superleague match), then stick their heads in the sand and talk through their a rses as usual.

GOD HELP RUGBY LEAGUE

Re: Crusaders Demise? : Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:29 pm  

how convienient is this rule change for the RFL I don't buy the excuse of the image rights cos there was no mention when wakey were in trouble www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/rug ... again.html Its about time we as rugby fans stood up and told the RFL that we are sick of them making our sport a laughing stock

how convienient is this rule change for the RFL I don't buy the excuse of the image rights cos there was no mention when wakey were in trouble www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/rug ... again.html Its about time we as rugby fans stood up and told the RFL that we are sick of them making our sport a laughing stock