Re: Ground work : Thu May 12, 2011 11:52 am  

TypingMonkey wrote:

Tedious as it is to go over this whole thing again, I have to ask about the funding position (don't dismiss me straight away... I'm a Cas fan not a troll).

We keep hearing about how the NM build is 'funded' and GH isn't, but to me the position looks exactly the same on both projects.

NM is only fully funded if their plans get approved by central government AND THEN they get full planning permission.

Richard Wright has stated on the club website that the GH build WILL BE fully funded subject to planning permission being granted for the retail outlet on Wheldon Road.

How are the two any different? Neither club has the money to build without their funding partners, and their funding partners won't cough up the dough without a pending planning approval. Neither planning application has a firm date yet.

That is a very good assessment. The only point to pick up on is that the Newmarket PI does now have a time-table. The public hearings will be in December 2011, the planning inspector is expected to submit his report to the SoS in Jan/Feb 2012, with a decision from the SoS expected March/April. This could move yes, but is unlikely that it will.

PS. Reserved matters, like the GH reserved matters, would then be a formality for both Newmarket and Wheldon Road (although I heard rumour they were going for a full application on Wheldon Road)

Re: Ground work : Thu May 12, 2011 3:39 pm  

Ehh its funny how these polecat traffic management officiardo's know so much about the volumes around wheldon rd....

lets think back a litlte.... Hicksons.... now how did they exactly move all those chemicals they made, Lets remember how much traffic was there when Wheldale Colliery and Fryston Colliery was in full production, all those pit props, chocks, panza's the list is endless.. they must have appeard by a tardis , and id hate to think of the car movements down there........

Re: Ground work : Thu May 12, 2011 7:26 pm  

Speedy wrote:

Ehh its funny how these polecat traffic management officiardo's know so much about the volumes around wheldon rd....

lets think back a litlte.... Hicksons.... now how did they exactly move all those chemicals they made, Lets remember how much traffic was there when Wheldale Colliery and Fryston Colliery was in full production, all those pit props, chocks, panza's the list is endless.. they must have appeard by a tardis , and id hate to think of the car movements down there........

Well said Speedy

Re: Ground work : Thu May 12, 2011 8:40 pm  

Speedy wrote:

Ehh its funny how these polecat traffic management officiardo's know so much about the volumes around wheldon rd....

lets think back a litlte.... Hicksons.... now how did they exactly move all those chemicals they made, Lets remember how much traffic was there when Wheldale Colliery and Fryston Colliery was in full production, all those pit props, chocks, panza's the list is endless.. they must have appeard by a tardis , and id hate to think of the car movements down there........

If only planning & development rules were based about what USED to be there!

BV had high stands at both the South and West sides, yet Wakefield can't build anything to replace them.

And let's not forget that the "green belt" of Newmarket was also a pit!

I agree with your sentiments, but the past makes no difference to the future.

Re: Ground work : Thu May 12, 2011 9:56 pm  

I was having a mess around doing some drawings earlier. I think it would be best if it was definitely a one way system. Looking at Google Maps, you could divert traffic coming from Lock Lane around the back of the Garden House on to Wheldon Road. I know it's currently a car park but I'm sure they could use some of the Arriva Bus depot opposite for spaces for the pub etc.

Make the Wheldon Road Aire St the main road by getting rid of the roundabout. However, instead of traffic going from Aire St onto Wheldon Road via the current way (i.e straight across) also divert this traffic round the back of the Garden House and put a junction on the bridge for cars coming from Lock Lane. This would mean the queues are not where the current roundabout is or Wheldon Rd.

For cars coming from Wheldon Road keep the lane system as it is now for the roundabout (except get rid of the turn right one). Have one going straight on and one for cars going left up Bridge St.

For cars joining the system from Bridge St, as it's one way, they would have to get on to Wheldon Rd they would have to go upto the big roundabout next to Wilkinsons go round and come back on themselves. They'd have a junction as it is now. I appreciate that this may keep traffic on Bridge St, however, it would ensure that traffic leaving and entering Wheldon Rd is frequent. For those people who are coming from Aire St and want to turn right, I would create another roundabout on the edge of the current Wheldon Rd site into the new store.

I'd also get rid of the crossings across Aire St. This is what often creates traffic. Not sure where I'd stick crossings but I'll leave that for someone else to think up.

Could work, ambitious and would need testing but I don't think that's a bad plan really. I do await people picking holes, though.

Re: Ground work : Fri May 13, 2011 7:33 am  

Fully wrote:

I was having a mess around doing some drawings earlier. I think it would be best if it was definitely a one way system. Looking at Google Maps, you could divert traffic coming from Lock Lane around the back of the Garden House on to Wheldon Road. I know it's currently a car park but I'm sure they could use some of the Arriva Bus depot opposite for spaces for the pub etc.

Make the Wheldon Road Aire St the main road by getting rid of the roundabout. However, instead of traffic going from Aire St onto Wheldon Road via the current way (i.e straight across) also divert this traffic round the back of the Garden House and put a junction on the bridge for cars coming from Lock Lane. This would mean the queues are not where the current roundabout is or Wheldon Rd.

For cars coming from Wheldon Road keep the lane system as it is now for the roundabout (except get rid of the turn right one). Have one going straight on and one for cars going left up Bridge St.

For cars joining the system from Bridge St, as it's one way, they would have to get on to Wheldon Rd they would have to go upto the big roundabout next to Wilkinsons go round and come back on themselves. They'd have a junction as it is now. I appreciate that this may keep traffic on Bridge St, however, it would ensure that traffic leaving and entering Wheldon Rd is frequent. For those people who are coming from Aire St and want to turn right, I would create another roundabout on the edge of the current Wheldon Rd site into the new store.

I'd also get rid of the crossings across Aire St. This is what often creates traffic. Not sure where I'd stick crossings but I'll leave that for someone else to think up.

Could work, ambitious and would need testing but I don't think that's a bad plan really. I do await people picking holes, though.

I,m sure the planners are mulling over your proposals as we speak

Re: Ground work : Fri May 13, 2011 11:30 am  

Fully wrote:

I read deeHell's first line, gave up because not only is it the same old drivel, it's also incorrect.

Edit, I did continue - yep: still all drivel.

So what exactly is drivel and incorrect about my post? I've told you all along that the land has very little value for housing. I have been proved right! Instead of blinding following Dickie Wrights spin stories try focusing in on the factuals! Of course your too blinkered to see things from that point of view.