Re: A view from the Carnegie Terrace - 3 points : Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:54 pm  

simy123 wrote:

1) Got there early today, and watched them warm up. They were awful. Dropped balls, no chat, no buzz - to be honest it looked like they couldnt be *rsed - the result didnt surprise me.

2) The penalty situation is beyond a joke - we are getting hammered by the refs, week in, week out. Simple - we have to change our game, and not give away dumb penalties

3) Our right side offence is a dead end. We need a signing.

Discuss

1) I wouldnt say they couldnt be arsed but from what I saw there seemed to be very little direction given to them from the captain once they got behind. Nobody seemed to get hold of them other than Peacock very late in the game.......in fact far too late in the game from what I saw.

2) I agree the indiscipline has been a worrying factor.........I wouldnt say we have been hammered by the refs as the vast majority of penalties have been correct and often due to the side being frustrated.

3) I would say not just the right side......opposition have been smart and shut down our options around centre field due to the fact we have little or no pace out wide. We are no threat out wide from outside 20 metres at this moment in time.

Just a thought from left field - As unfortunate as this might be for Ryan Hall would it be worth moving Donald back outside Senior and putting Lee Smith on the wing outside Ablett/Watkins/Gibson??

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:36 am  

I agree the grand final papered over some cracks, but as that's the main competition, it's not really papering over anything is it?

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:03 am  

90% yesterday went right down the middle.time and again they came back inside. this is happening every week. the game plan is all wrong. at the moment the clueless is the best one that sums us up. i disagree there is no effort. it's all effort and no skill

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:12 am  

tad rhino wrote:

90% yesterday went right down the middle.time and again they came back inside. this is happening every week. the game plan is all wrong. at the moment the clueless is the best one that sums us up. i disagree there is no effort. it's all effort and no skill

Keeping it simple is one thing Tad but when we dont combine that with a kicking game whats the point of running the ball in?

For the past few games only a small number of kicks have met turf, and out of them only a handfull have been decent.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:16 am  

i meant thet we rarely go wide any more. when we do we don't look bad. never go down the right for some reason though
everything we did played into the bulls and salfords hands. one man rugby straight down the middle

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:11 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

i meant thet we rarely go wide any more. when we do we don't look bad. never go down the right for some reason though
everything we did played into the bulls and salfords hands. one man rugby straight down the middle

Too many pointless offloads around the middle of the park to teammates who are stood still.

Our distribution is very poor atm.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:05 pm  

Agree with Swarcliffe Rhino we're short of imagination on the kicking front. Admittedly the tactical kicks close to the line have improved no end since a couple of seasons ago but why do we never go for the 40/20. John Wilkin showed how effective that can be in the Challenge Cup but it doesn't seem to be on our list of options. As regards Ablett he gives away too many penalties (but then again so do Diskin and Bailey) and he does not have the pace or the handling skills to be a SL centre. What about trying to sign Jamie Lyon since he seems to be touting for a move back to Super League. Would he fit in? or is he not Kiwi enough for GH?

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:31 pm  

graemek wrote:

Agree with Swarcliffe Rhino we're short of imagination on the kicking front. Admittedly the tactical kicks close to the line have improved no end since a couple of seasons ago but why do we never go for the 40/20.

We've kicked at least 3 this season, one at Warrington and at least 2 at home.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:54 am  

cheekydiddles wrote:

From JUne onwards last year we were aweful,either losing or winning ugly and until the win away at Catalans and their late demise there was a real possibility of us finishing outside the top two.

Except that in the end we finished only 1 point behind Saints, 8 points ahead of 3rd. Was there then, by your reckoning, a real possibility of Saints finishing outside the top 2?

I can sort of see your point, but aren't you rewriting history to fit your point a bit here?

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:57 am  

FoxyRhino wrote:

We've kicked at least 3 this season, one at Warrington and at least 2 at home.

According to Super League website (sorry tvoc, all I've got) the league table for 40-20 kicks is:

1 Leeds 4
2 Salford 3
3 Harlequins 3
4 Catalans 2
5 Hull 2
6 Wigan 1
7 Bradford 1
8 Huddersfield 0
9 Celtic Crusaders 0
10 Hull Kingston Rovers 0
11 Wakefield 0
12 Castleford 0
13 Warrington 0
14 St Helens 0


So clearly we do go for 40-20s, nad get them more often than anyone else in the league, apparently.