Re: Stats V Harlequins : Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:38 am  

Acorn Torn wrote:

Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda

Nothing much wrong with having an agenda and using official (as such as the SL website provides) stats to illustrate a point. Better than just having an agenda I suppose. My agenda here FWIW is to try to illustrate how a lack of forward strength is likely to cost Leeds over the course of a season. Any injury is a worry but if it's Peacock then Leeds will be royally screwed, IMO.

tvoc wrote:

Starting:
Leuluai - 7 hit ups in 24 minutes (one every 3.4 mins)
Peacock - 21 hit ups in 50 minutes (one every 2.4 mins)

Bench:
Bailey - 4 hit ups in 20 minutes (one every 5 mins)
Lauitiiti - 14 in 42 minutes (one every 3 mins)

: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:00 am  

I can't help feeling that in the modern era your props ought to be managing more game time than Kylie and Bailey (was Bailey injured)? Surely two stints of 15-17 minutes or so in a game shouldn't be too much to ask. That would have the effect of reducing some of the burden on Peacock. Bailey is certainly a good enough athlete to play longer stints.

We could probably do with another forward. I'm not sure whether it neds to be a prop as such, but another pair of legs in the Kirke vein with the size/power etc to biff the ball up the middle would be quite useful, and probably doesn't need to cost the earth. We have plenty of flair players, but perhaps the platform being built is not working at the moment.

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:40 am  

leicester_rhino wrote:

Because he made 3x more meters than Bailey, which more than outweighs 2 less tackles and 1 more miss IMO

Depends on how you look at it, some would say that defenses win games. It's pointless putting 70 points past a team if they put 80 past you. Ali took twice as long as Bailey to make a similar number of tackles.

I'm not having a go at Ali here, I'm using his stats to highlight that some people on here are having what I feel is an unfair go at Bailey, especially as he went off injured.

Nothing much wrong with having an agenda and using official (as such as the SL website provides) stats to illustrate a point. Better than just having an agenda I suppose. My agenda here FWIW is to try to illustrate how a lack of forward strength is likely to cost Leeds over the course of a season. Any injury is a worry but if it's Peacock then Leeds will be royally screwed, IMO.

Fair enough. I'd be interested in seeing the stats for the Catalan match a few weeks ago where I thought we played poor but won, compared to Friday where I didn't think we played as bad but lost.

El Diablo wrote:

I can't help feeling that in the modern era your props ought to be managing more game time than Kylie and Bailey (was Bailey injured)?

I can't find anything official, but he was helped from the field late on in the first half by the physio after taking the ball in hard.

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:25 am  

Acorn Torn wrote:

Depends on how you look at it, some would say that defenses win games. It's pointless putting 70 points past a team if they put 80 past you. Ali took twice as long as Bailey to make a similar number of tackles.

I'm not having a go at Ali here, I'm using his stats to highlight that some people on here are having what I feel is an unfair go at Bailey, especially as he went off injured.

If I were to look at laziness traits in a player I would tend to look at carries and meters rather than defence, purely because in attack you have to put your hand up and take the ball in (in many instances, especially for forwards), wheras in defence you have to tackle whatever comes at you, although this does depend on where you stand in the defensive line to a certain extent.

In terms of the individual players, I think that Ali has the tendancy to look lazy and dis-interested, I'm just not convinced those stas show it