Re: Am I missing something? : Sat May 11, 2024 9:29 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

When you’re at school, and in exams teachers always want and require to see the working out of math equations, so they can verify that logic is correct and that the method is a repeatable process that can be used to reliably solve other equations.

Leeds can solve the odd difficult equation, sometimes. But there’s no working out, no method, it’s not a reliable repeatable process.

The likes of Saints and Wigan have reliable, effective, repeatable methods that solve equations.

Leeds don’t.

That's all well and good, but the final exam for this team is not 10 or so games into the season. If you want to use the school children analogy, shouldn't we give the teacher more time to help his players learn, give them a bit of leeway for improvement, instead of writing them off as wasted effort? So far they are doing okay in their coursework - let's see how the next few assignments go before being too judgmental, eh?

If you are a teacher in real life I wouldn't want to send my children to your school

Re: Am I missing something? : Sat May 11, 2024 10:33 am  

In any case, to get that kind of positive consistency we would need a new DoR basically. Without that, each coach coming in will change systems and philosophies. GH in charge has done many things, but it hasn't provided any systematic success for a very long time - this is the truth.

It's not a hopeless position but - the kind of systemic club approaches you're talking about take years to embed fully.

Re: Am I missing something? : Sat May 11, 2024 4:15 pm  

Exeter Rhino wrote:

That's all well and good, but the final exam for this team is not 10 or so games into the season. If you want to use the school children analogy, shouldn't we give the teacher more time to help his players learn, give them a bit of leeway for improvement, instead of writing them off as wasted effort? So far they are doing okay in their coursework - let's see how the next few assignments go before being too judgmental, eh?

If you are a teacher in real life I wouldn't want to send my children to your school

Let’s not be so judgmental, yet let’s judge my aptitude as a teacher (I’m not, I work in software development) based on a paragraph of writing? Cool.

There’s no reasoning with Smith apologists. It’s like a cult. They will always find an excuse.

Re: Am I missing something? : Sat May 11, 2024 4:25 pm  

KaeruJim wrote:

In any case, to get that kind of positive consistency we would need a new DoR basically. Without that, each coach coming in will change systems and philosophies. GH in charge has done many things, but it hasn't provided any systematic success for a very long time - this is the truth.

It's not a hopeless position but - the kind of systemic club approaches you're talking about take years to embed fully.

We probably should get started then.

Re: Am I missing something? : Sat May 11, 2024 7:13 pm  

KaeruJim wrote:

In any case, to get that kind of positive consistency we would need a new DoR basically. Without that, each coach coming in will change systems and philosophies. GH in charge has done many things, but it hasn't provided any systematic success for a very long time - this is the truth.

It's not a hopeless position but - the kind of systemic club approaches you're talking about take years to embed fully.

Short term simply trying to defend with more intensity would make things better.

I’ve been saying it for years GH is past it and we need to spend far more on our whole coaching set up

Re: Am I missing something? : Sat May 11, 2024 7:23 pm  

remind me how graham murray and tony smith, even to a degree powell, did in there first seasons.

takes time rubbish. a good coach can install the basics in a pre season. the rest takes time yes but a top coach makes all the difference.

Re: Am I missing something? : Sat May 11, 2024 7:45 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

remind me how graham murray and tony smith, even to a degree powell, did in there first seasons.

takes time rubbish. a good coach can install the basics in a pre season. the rest takes time yes but a top coach makes all the difference.

Yup. You know straight away after a coach’s first pre-season whether they are any good.

Re: Am I missing something? : Sat May 11, 2024 11:46 pm  

Smith started out better than almost any coach I can think of in 2022? Its been last year onwards that issues have arisen.

Re: Am I missing something? : Sun May 12, 2024 4:51 am  

Once were Loiners wrote:

Smith started out better than almost any coach I can think of in 2022? Its been last year onwards that issues have arisen.

“After first pre-season”.

Also, why is that initial sample size when Smiths influence was small (recruitment training time) more relevant than the 18 months since?

Re: Am I missing something? : Sun May 12, 2024 7:17 am  

Smiths intitial bounce was probably more to do with being anybody but the incompetent coach he replaced, another god awful appointment that had British RL laughing at us at the time

We all fell for it, no shame in that, was a great feeling thinking we finally had our coach....Then his first pre-season started, and the worrying signs were there for all but the blinkerd