Re: Peter Smith on Pryce : Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:39 am  

El Diablo wrote:

Ignoring the current case at issue, which has been discussed ad-nauseum already, I don't think the issue is quite as "simples" as that. There is an issue which the sport and the club have discretion in addressing in terms of employees bringing their organisation or profession into disrepute.

My starting point for this sort of thing is always one of not believing professional sports stars should be subject to any different rules than the rest of us. In this instance, I think I, and many other people I know, would be very fortunate to retain my job if I was convicted of assault. I would also probably lose my professional registrations, with which there are parallels, even if not direct comparisons, with a professional RL player.

I'm not commenting specifically on the Prycegate incident, or even saying that these kinds of things should automatically result in censure in their working life, but it is a consideration, and not as simple as "work is work, everything else is law."

The major difference of course is that you or I are, I would suspect, much more replaceable than the current Great Britain stand-off, irrespective of our level of professional qualifications.

It's more of a no-brainer for an employer to show us the door when they have much less to lose, even though our conviction may not even be public knowledge never mind tarnishing the image of our employers.

: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:40 am  

Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

Its like that every week though isnt it?

Now that I think about it, yeah. Just seems to explain the obvious inabit of detail.

Re: Peter Smith on Pryce : Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:47 am  

El Diablo wrote:

Ignoring the current case at issue, which has been discussed ad-nauseum already, I don't think the issue is quite as "simples" as that. There is an issue which the sport and the club have discretion in addressing in terms of employees bringing their organisation or profession into disrepute.

My starting point for this sort of thing is always one of not believing professional sports stars should be subject to any different rules than the rest of us. In this instance, I think I, and many other people I know, would be very fortunate to retain my job if I was convicted of assault. I would also probably lose my professional registrations, with which there are parallels, even if not direct comparisons, with a professional RL player.

I'm not commenting specifically on the Prycegate incident, or even saying that these kinds of things should automatically result in censure in their working life, but it is a consideration, and not as simple as "work is work, everything else is law."

I guess what I meant is that yes, the club have the option of disciplining the player for circumstances that were outside of their control but they have no obligation to do so.

The law is there to punish people for criminal offences. If the club want to take further action - cool. If they don't - cool.

Professional comparisons are a little bit twee. If you hold an accreditation (for example I'm a chartered accountant) and get convicted of a crime, it casts doubt on your character and trustworthiness to the extent that you may not be considered suitable to fulfil your role. The same sort of level of trust and duty of care don't apply to RL players.

Sure I wouldn't want Leon Pryce as my accountant/lawyer/local policeman. Good job he's a RL player and a bloody good one.

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:48 am  

Snake Eater wrote:

Now that I think about it, yeah. Just seems to explain the obvious inabit of detail.

Read him only after a game, the column you are adressing really is a case of much of a muchness and is merly tabloid fluff to fill up a page in the YEP that cats up trees"stories" and YEP reader holiday offers cant.

: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:05 pm  

Community service should be scrubbing graffiti off walls or some other ball breaking menial task etc , His last 120 hours was coaching kids at his former club a role which he has since taken up again a few months ago ( conveniently ) as his son plays there now.

: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:10 pm  

joshua102 wrote:

Community service should be scrubbing graffiti off walls or some other ball breaking menial task etc , His last 120 hours was coaching kids at his former club a role which he has since taken up again a few months ago ( conveniently ) as his son plays there now.

I'd much rather Leon Pryce was coaching my kid to play RL than scrubbing walls.

: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:14 pm  

Real deterent that

Most players do that cause they WANT to not cause they HAVE to

Re: Peter Smith on Pryce : Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:25 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I bet you do. I like this statement best:

Leeds Rhinos' Chev Walker and Ryan Bailey were jailed following an assault case in 2003 – a ruling which seemed harsh at the time and looks even more so in hindsight.

Pryce pushes a bloke so he should be strung up, yet Bailey actually punches a bloke but his jail term now appears harsh?!? Leeds do feck all about Walker and Bailey but Saints are supposed to suspend/fire Pryce for far less of a crime?

Get real. Never read such a biased load of tabloid crock in my life.

I think he was compairing Walker and Baileys incident to the Cockayne incident. And after watching the online vidoe footage of what Cockayne did i was pretty shocked.

Re: Peter Smith on Pryce : Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:30 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Do you really? A large proportion of that article is absolute nonsense.

: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:30 pm  

That is an excellent article. Best thing Smith has written in some time. Have the Saints knee jerkers on this thread actually read it? There's no anti-Saints or Pryce agenda in it at all.

He does bring up the Bailey and Walker incidents and isn't simply ranting for leon to be banned. He asks some interesting questions and I agree wholeheartedly with his conclusion.

Its' time the RFL introdcued a policy on off field behaviour and enforced it.

The NFL are doing it, the NRL are doing it. We should be whether it affects Leeds, Saints or any players.