: Mon May 11, 2009 2:16 pm  

G1 wrote:

Hall has really developed. As a winger I think he's probably eclipsing what Smith was doing on the right wing last season, albeit he's doing it on the left.

I thought we had a lack of depth? Why are people advocating getting rid of our form threequarter and, arguably, the form wing man in the entire competition?

Is hall really doing anything that special? He's top of the try scoring charts, but as has been shown on numerous occassions, that does not necessarily mean he's on form, or even a good player.

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:23 pm  

The Joker® wrote:

Not a chance Chris Hicks by plenty!...

I wasn't being definitive. That's why i said arguably. Hicks has had a good year but why are you so confident its' Hick "by plenty"?

For Hicks.

He's got 1 more try than Hall.

For Hall

Hall has a try assist, Hicks doesn't. Hall has made significantly more metres and has a much higher work-rate, as demonstrated by more carries. Hall has made more tackles and more than double the offloads than Hicks. Hall has run from dummy half 53 times to Hicks 10. Hall has ten more tackle busts, more clean breaks and more marker tackles.

But despite all that you say its' Hicks "by plenty".


Why?

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:24 pm  

leicester_rhino wrote:

Is hall really doing anything that special? He's top of the try scoring charts, but as has been shown on numerous occassions, that does not necessarily mean he's on form, or even a good player.

He works hard for the forwards by taking plenty of drives/runs from Dummy Half and making lots of meters he's in the Top 5 Meters makers in Super League this season IIRC, He also makes quite a few Tackle Burst aswell...

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:25 pm  

Peter Fox for me.

A product of our set-up as well.

Fox SL's premier flanker for me.

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:27 pm  

leicester_rhino wrote:

Is hall really doing anything that special? He's top of the try scoring charts, but as has been shown on numerous occassions, that does not necessarily mean he's on form, or even a good player.

His work rate is phenomenal.

See my post above.

He's the 5th leading metre maker in the league, not far behind Peacock for 2nd on our team.

He's carried the ball more than anyone on our team bar Peacock, showing a phenomenal work rate.

he's made the 2nd most clean breaks in the league.

He's made the 2nd most runs from dummy half on our team.

Its' not just his try scoring, the kid is developing into one of the best all round wingers in the league in front of the eyes of a very appreciating and or ill informed fan base. If he were called Vainikolo and played on another team our fans would be creaming themselves that we signed him. As he came through the ranks he's barely noticed.

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:30 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

Peter Fox for me.

A product of our set-up as well.

Fox SL's premier flanker for me.

Good winger, but inferior to Hall in every statistical dept other than runs from dummy half, though not by much.

Not that I put too much stock into those but they are an OK indicator of work-rate, especially for wingers.

Ironic thing about Fox, had he come through our ranks been on our wing our fans would've been baying for him to be sold and replaced by someone else. yet because he's doing no more than Hall is presently he's coveted.

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:32 pm  

G1 wrote:

His work rate is phenomenal.

See my post above.

He's the 5th leading metre maker in the league, not far behind Peacock for 2nd on our team.

He's carried the ball more than anyone on our team bar Peacock, showing a phenomenal work rate.

he's made the 2nd most clean breaks in the league.

He's made the 2nd most runs from dummy half on our team.

Its' not just his try scoring, the kid is developing into one of the best all round wingers in the league in front of the eyes of a very appreciating and or ill informed fan base. If he were called Vainikolo and played on another team our fans would be creaming themselves that we signed him. As he came through the ranks he's barely noticed.

Can't argue with much you've put there, but to compare him to Vainikolo is a bit far. On form, he was practically unplayable, and he ran through players for fun, although he had his downsides, like a turning circle like the Titanic

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:34 pm  

G1 wrote:

I wasn't being definitive. That's why i said arguably. Hicks has had a good year but why are you so confident its' Hick "by plenty"?

For Hicks.

He's got 1 more try than Hall.

For Hall

Hall has a try assist, Hicks doesn't. Hall has made significantly more metres and has a much higher work-rate, as demonstrated by more carries. Hall has made more tackles and more than double the offloads than Hicks. Hall has run from dummy half 53 times to Hicks 10. Hall has ten more tackle busts, more clean breaks and more marker tackles.

But despite all that you say its' Hicks "by plenty".


Why?

Well it depends how far back you go to define in form?, If we are talking the last three games then his record of 8 Tries in 3 Games including two hat-tricks arguably makes him the form winger compared with Ryan Halls 3 Tries in 3 Games ...
Ryan Hall yes might be the harder worker but i wouldn't call a hard working Winger a Winger that's in form compared to one who seems to be scoring for fun recently also Ryan Hall has made 4 more errors than Chris Hicks and missed two more tackles...
The view of by plenty over the course of the season may have been the incorrect call but over the last few games then yes Chris Hicks by plenty...

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:35 pm  

The Joker® wrote:

Well it depends how far back you go to define in form?, If we are talking the last three games then his record of 8 Tries in 3 Games including two hat-tricks arguably makes him the form winger compared with Ryan Halls 3 Tries in 3 Games ...
Ryan Hall yes might be the harder worker but i wouldn't call a hard working Winger a Winger that's in form compared to one who seems to be scoring for fun recently also Ryan Hall has made 4 more errors than Chris Hicks and missed two more tackles...
The view of by plenty over the course of the season may have been the incorrect call but over the last few games then yes Chris Hicks by plenty...

Fair enough. I was basing it on this season.

: Mon May 11, 2009 2:40 pm  

G1 wrote:

Good winger, but inferior to Hall in every statistical dept other than runs from dummy half, though not by much.

Not that I put too much stock into those but they are an OK indicator of work-rate, especially for wingers.

Ironic thing about Fox, had he come through our ranks been on our wing our fans would've been baying for him to be sold and replaced by someone else. yet because he's doing no more than Hall is presently he's coveted.

2 good 'uns in my eyes.

Fox to me fits the bill as an ideal winger. But what about Hall? He's having a great season but is he a natural winger? He's picked up some pace, that has deffo assisted him this year. And it was nice to see him score from 80 m against frogs, those kind of scores have been a rare sight from him (bar the odd intercept).

But his workrate is impressive, he just keeps driving. The strength he has, leads me to believe he will have a great rugby career, not only on the wing.