Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:11 pm  

Since Poching took over the under20 side, what have they achieved?
I rated him as a player but have seen nothing in him as a coach to believe that we've not got the best out of all this recent business.
It's an odd world though aint it?

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:37 pm  

Got to say i'm hapy willie has moved on ,great player for us but as many have stated but he had a shocker with the u20's and was on his way out with Cummings no matter if Bluey had stayed or not.
Again with the Lowes appointment he would'nt of topped my list either but Brian Mc wanted him and GH seems happy to apoint him so time will tell.

[Bullseye]

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:27 pm  

If he's so bad why does Tony Smith and the moneybags Wire want him?

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:33 pm  

He is very unproven and didn't get the results. Although I am a bit dubious about Lowes joining us, I do feel that we have got the better assistant coach!

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:37 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

If he's so bad why does Tony Smith and the moneybags Wire want him?

My 1st guess is that TS knows he's a "yes man".
My 2nd is that he's only going there as an assistant and TS needs someone right now but he's not coaching the juniors which he did'nt do very well at Leeds imo.
Strange how things work out but we'll soon see how it all pans out come Feb.

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:51 pm  

Find it strange how people make judgements on coaching ability, have you ever seen them coach? And if you had would you know what you were looking for?

Many things other than results factor into how a coach would fit in to a new club.

On Mcdermott, he has some interesting coaching philosophies, some of which I think are spot on. He also feels the previous regime was probably too technical. Interesting transition time for Leeds.

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:01 pm  

Seth wrote:

Find it strange how people make judgements on coaching ability, have you ever seen them coach? And if you had would you know what you were looking for?

Poching - yes
Lowes - no

On Poching, whilst I wouldn't go quite as far as Gotcha in describing his record as "shocking" I'd agree with Gotcha's general point that he's not great. Having said that, he's a really nice guy and hopefully he'll improve under Tony Smith.

On Lowes, not seen him coach but have heard things from people who have. Some complimentary, some not. Probably as you would expect from a coach still learning his trade. Perfectly willing to give him the opportunity at Leeds, anything that's happened in the past is just that, in the past. I would imagine Lowes wasn't too happy with the way good ole Alf got rid of him but he's put that behind him so let's all move on shall we.

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:06 pm  

Seth wrote:

On Mcdermott, he has some interesting coaching philosophies, some of which I think are spot on. He also feels the previous regime was probably too technical. Interesting transition time for Leeds.

That's interesting, since after the 2008 Grand Final win McClennan said that our ability to wrestle and control the tackle was "probably the biggest factor" in that final win.

McDermott probably has a point.

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:08 am  

Willie would be a great "ASSISTANT" Coach.

With the U20's it was his job, he was solely responsible and as many have mentioned, wasn't very good at it.

Although the Assistant's job is technically a step up, there's a lot more places to hide, and a lot more "hand holding" in that role. If the U20's lost it was Willie's fault, but nobody ever blamed Franny for our disgrace at Wembley did they (or any other loss)??

Willie's qualities are clear for all to see, dedication, commitment, work ethic, motivation, likeability. All qualities which could easily see him excel when practically being Tony's coffee-boy and when used as a sounding board for any ideas, without any of the key decisions to make, or any responsibility with the fans or media should those decisions go wrong.

[Bullseye]

Re: Willie Poaching gone to Wire : Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:45 pm  

Were the U20s results so bad solely because of Poching's coaching? Or were the tools he had to work with not as good as in previous seasons? Those that say it was down to Poching, what evidence have you got to back that up? I'd say it's never black and white in these situations.

It's funny how some people are lining up to back McDermott who has a questionable record at Quins yet are ready to write off Poching who had a comparable record with the U20s. I wonder if they'd be saying the same if McDermott was joining another club?

There's a fair bit on inconsistency IMHO!