I think people get too fixated on league table positions as the measure of success and progress. Every team is changing all the time so it's basically a moving target. i.e. your team might be better this year than it was last year, but still finish lower on the table because your competitors have improved more...



I am really confident Leeds is moving in the right direction overall and getting better each year as a team. Agree Austin has a part to play this season, and that he has something to prove actually. It's sport isn't it so if you finish top-4 and you're healthy/in good form at the business end, you can still take the title out. I expect us to be competitive this season, but better again next. We will soon see!

I take your point about teams changing, however if others are improving faster than us that spells failure to me. Given it’s a 12 team competition with a salary cap, and 4/5 teams really struggle financially and have much lower crowds, levels of sponsorship, facilities and weak academies, then 5th to me is around a minimum level of expected achievement. When you add in how far we are behind team 1 we need to see continued big strides in next 2 years.

Catalan

Saints

Leeds

Wigan

Hull

Wire

KR

Huddersfield

Cas

Wakey

Salford

Toulouse



Fev promoted

Catalan to beat Leeds in the GF

Saints to beat Hull in CC

Probably more mid-table mediocrity, and hoping for an easy cup draw to paper over the cracks.



I'd settle for the team turning up for every game and giving their best.

Can I change my mind?

This thread aged well!

Wine into vinegar? Think a few didn’t realise that we were actually weaker in the halve’s with Gale leaving, and we basically let our main strike back Hurrell walk out , and thought Sutty could take over!

But none of us in our wildest dreams thought we’d be this poor…

To be fair Hurrell wasn't pulling up trees that often last season. Perhaps the failure to replace him with a proper quality centre was an issue, but then again we had other more pressing gaps in the squad to fill.

In one go could be awful as well , but we forget that teams often had to double mark him, leaving more space for others. Have we sorted out the other ‘more pressing’ areas then by abandoning left centre?

The season isn’t finished yet, Leeds will finish above Warrington