[Bullseye]

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:37 pm  

Carr keeps being mentioned. No smoke without fire.

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:55 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Carr keeps being mentioned. No smoke without fire.

Personally id be happy with Carr, whether that’s next year or the year after, he seems highly respected and I think we looked better when he was involved with us.

Weve also done very well with young up and coming coaches in the past - Smith and Mcdermott were both at the beginning of their careers, just getting a successful coach from Aus isnt some kind of proven guarantee of success with a club.

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:18 pm  

Yep absolutely. There's a bit of magic dust and fortune in getting the right mix of coach, staff and players at the same time for success.

I could probably coach Penrith Panthers to a clean sweep in super league next year, but that wouldn't make me the best coach in super league.

I guess you'd have to think about where Sean Long fits in with someone like Carr. Interested to see whether Sean stays after this year anyway.

I can't make my mind up on this. It partly depends on how good we think the support coaching staff are on the technical components - i.e. do you bring a real technician in, or a man-manager.

Sometimes I think that with so many young lads, we need a bit of an old man Yoda around the place for them to look up to. If you're 17-18-19 and have a few demons in you, that father figure can be exactly what you need.

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:52 am  

I'm hearing quite a bit of talk about James Webster coming back as assistant. Fev fans rate him as a coach and say they've played good rugby with the resources they have available. Interesting to if it materialises. (Also talk he's being replaced by Brian Mc, which my Fev mates aren't happy about)

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am  

D4mo78 wrote:

I'm hearing quite a bit of talk about James Webster coming back as assistant. Fev fans rate him as a coach and say they've played good rugby with the resources they have available. Interesting to if it materialises. (Also talk he's being replaced by Brian Mc, which my Fev mates aren't happy about)

He has been a failure at SL level - didn't he coach Hull KR back into the Championship? To me he is another Chris Chester. I look at these coaches and wonder if the likes of Saints/Warrington/Wigan would be considering them?

This is a big club that should be looking to employ a top coach - no point investing in a great squad if you have them coached poorly. The coach is a key ingredient in the success of the whole - how you integrate youngsters, how you manage the 17 on game day - the style of play - this is supposed to be entertainment after all, input into recruitment, developing other coaches, working with conditioning etc.

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:33 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

He has been a failure at SL level - didn't he coach Hull KR back into the Championship? To me he is another Chris Chester. I look at these coaches and wonder if the likes of Saints/Warrington/Wigan would be considering them?

This is a big club that should be looking to employ a top coach - no point investing in a great squad if you have them coached poorly. The coach is a key ingredient in the success of the whole - how you integrate youngsters, how you manage the 17 on game day - the style of play - this is supposed to be entertainment after all, input into recruitment, developing other coaches, working with conditioning etc.

What did you expect Webster to achieve at Fev that he didnt achieve to make him a failure? He had little chance at KR as an inexperienced coach with a weak squad. Chester led Wakey to the playoffs in his time there didnt he? Is he a failure cos he didnt win trophies?

You say Saints wouldnt employ somebody like Webster cos yet they took Richard Marshall from Halifax.

Webster is a very capable assistant coach, has increased his experience and a very good guy.

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:48 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

What did you expect Webster to achieve at Fev that he didnt achieve to make him a failure? He had little chance at KR as an inexperienced coach with a weak squad. Chester led Wakey to the playoffs in his time there didnt he? Is he a failure cos he didnt win trophies?

You say Saints wouldnt employ somebody like Webster cos yet they took Richard Marshall from Halifax.

Webster is a very capable assistant coach, has increased his experience and a very good guy.

Agreed I always find talk of coaches and 'achievements'' odd one.

There has to be a lot of things fall into place for a coach to be successful, its not just about their ability.

Look at Wayne Bennet with GB or Tim Sheens in SL.

Also Coaches get written off far too early in their career by some, take Agar, he is a good coach and he's still young but everyone has written him off, Steve Macnamara went through the same.

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:00 pm  

christopher wrote:

Agreed I always find talk of coaches and 'achievements'' odd one.

There has to be a lot of things fall into place for a coach to be successful, its not just about their ability.

Look at Wayne Bennet with GB or Tim Sheens in SL.

Also Coaches get written off far too early in their career by some, take Agar, he is a good coach and he's still young but everyone has written him off, Steve Macnamara went through the same.

I don’t know if it’s just me but I can’t do with Macnamara at all.

Agar talks a lot of sense IMO, and he’s grown into his role at Leeds.

I’m very relaxed about the situation at present. When the time is right I’m sure they’ll make the change.

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:30 pm  

[quote="KaeruJim"]I don’t know if it’s just me but I can’t do with Macnamara at all.
It's not just you. I still feel like he's bluffing his way through.

Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:34 pm  

Nah its not fair to say hes bluffing his way he did his apprentice and has coached for 20 years now.