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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:17 am  
Could easily have said Tony Smith wasn't the right coach for Leeds. Relegated with Huddersfield and hadn't achieved anything. But look how that turned out. Good coaches can be in the wrong environments, we've seen that too.
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:39 am  
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Could easily have said Tony Smith wasn't the right coach for Leeds. Relegated with Huddersfield and hadn't achieved anything. But look how that turned out. Good coaches can be in the wrong environments, we've seen that too.

Not quite the case, the time at Huddersfield was very productive for Tony Smith and definitely wasn't the wrong environment, at least not by the time he'd finished with them.

Whilst Smith did take them down in 2001 it was after Huddersfield had already finished bottom three years in a row before he took over but had not been relegated. That fourth season saw him come in at the same time relegation came back and ironically Huddersfield under his guidance were much more competitive than in the previous years and only went down very narrowly, winning more points and with a notable reduction in the number of absolute hammerings they got. The improvement in the way the team played and Smith's impact across the club was obvious even then.

The following year he brought Huddersfield back up undefeated and then broke the mould by keeping them up when they returned to Super League, setting up the years of relative stability in the top flight which followed. Huddersfield were very disappointed when he said he was leaving, even more so when it was later announced he was coming to Leeds. But his work at Huddersfield meant he had already established himself as a bit of a rising star amongst coaches.
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:05 am  
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Not quite the case, the time at Huddersfield was very productive for Tony Smith and definitely wasn't the wrong environment, at least not by the time he'd finished with them.

Whilst Smith did take them down in 2001 it was after Huddersfield had already finished bottom three years in a row before he took over but had not been relegated. That fourth season saw him come in at the same time relegation came back and ironically Huddersfield under his guidance were much more competitive than in the previous years and only went down very narrowly, winning more points and with a notable reduction in the number of absolute hammerings they got. The improvement in the way the team played and Smith's impact across the club was obvious even then.

The following year he brought Huddersfield back up undefeated and then broke the mould by keeping them up when they returned to Super League, setting up the years of relative stability in the top flight which followed. Huddersfield were very disappointed when he said he was leaving, even more so when it was later announced he was coming to Leeds. But his work at Huddersfield meant he had already established himself as a bit of a rising star amongst coaches.


Agree with that. My point was that people could have complained when we brought Smith in because on paper he hadn't achieved anything of note. People cry out for people with huge CV's of accomplishments but those coaches aren't floating around. Clubs look at the factors you've mentioned above to find the right fit. But soke fans just go off the small details they know about someone
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:21 am  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
Not quite the case, the time at Huddersfield was very productive for Tony Smith and definitely wasn't the wrong environment, at least not by the time he'd finished with them.

Whilst Smith did take them down in 2001 it was after Huddersfield had already finished bottom three years in a row before he took over but had not been relegated. That fourth season saw him come in at the same time relegation came back and ironically Huddersfield under his guidance were much more competitive than in the previous years and only went down very narrowly, winning more points and with a notable reduction in the number of absolute hammerings they got. The improvement in the way the team played and Smith's impact across the club was obvious even then.

The following year he brought Huddersfield back up undefeated and then broke the mould by keeping them up when they returned to Super League, setting up the years of relative stability in the top flight which followed. Huddersfield were very disappointed when he said he was leaving, even more so when it was later announced he was coming to Leeds. But his work at Huddersfield meant he had already established himself as a bit of a rising star amongst coaches.


Excellent post - describes Smith to a tee - he is all about positive evolution
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:52 am  
I see Hetherington has confirmed that Agar will take over Sinfields role at the club.
It will happen when the right coach becomes available says GH it might be this year or next year but no pressure to bring in a new coach yet as Richie is doing a fantastic job.
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:23 pm  
See it happening in 12 months max
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:46 pm  
I wonder who they consider the right coach to be
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:42 pm  
I liked the idea of Tony Smith and Danny McGuire.
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:44 pm  
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I wonder who they consider the right coach to be

Someone they regard to be significantly "better" than Agar - or perhaps at a time when Agar thinks his voice and approach is getting stale, just someone different.

Most people seem to rate Agar. Of course "best" or "better" in coaching terms, at this level, isn't black and white. A coach who is better for one player may well not be better for another.

Should be interesting; I'd expect the young squad to take another step forward next year, and if we look like a horse coming up fast on the rails we should become an attractive place to come and coach again.
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Re: 2022 | Coaching Changes? : Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:46 pm  
I think they will simply wait until a coach of sufficient quality becomes available who is interested in the role. No point appointing someone for the sake of it who we are not fully happy with.
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