: Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:00 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

O'carroll played for ireland in the world cup and played very well imo!

Ah, Ireland.

The dumping ground for players who couldn't get in the England or Australia squads...

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:04 pm  

G1 wrote:

You asked what props we had produced. I named 9, 8 of whom are still playing SL and 5 of whom (6 of Fozzard has - I can't recall) have represented GB.

I asked you when Wigan last produced an international prop. You didn't answer.

The pissing contest is over all right. It barely began.

And whilst you may not rate Bailey or Burgess they certainly handed your shower their arses last Friday. When will these two young lads from your Academy be signing for Huddersfield?

I think the word is 'owned.'

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:05 pm  

DoubleAone wrote:

When and Where ????

under sevens.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:58 pm  

I dont think wigan can be criticised for producing youngsters; but their fans should be for their patience with them.

I remember a few years back when Leeds where always the also rans a lot fans getting on the teams back - don't those people look silly now.

If all clubs had chairmen and managers who were as patient and believed in youth as much as Leeds have the last few years, the England team would be in a lot better position.

Fingers crossed, teams have learnt from Leeds recent success and will follow suit. I think the new rules regarding home produced players will work towards this, but I do think they need to be tightened regarding where players can travel from. Leeds Wigan and Saints do seem to sign up a lot of youngsters and let them go, maybe they'd get more of a chance at other clubs to develop? Not blaming the clubs mind.

Anyone else think home produced players U23 should have some kind of exemption from the salary cap? Maybe only half their salaries to count?

Re KL - they dont make em like that over here!

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:06 pm  

lurchio wrote:

I dont think wigan can be criticised for producing youngsters; but their fans should be for their patience with them.

I remember a few years back when Leeds where always the also rans a lot fans getting on the teams back - don't those people look silly now.

If all clubs had chairmen and managers who were as patient and believed in youth as much as Leeds have the last few years, the England team would be in a lot better position.

Fingers crossed, teams have learnt from Leeds recent success and will follow suit. I think the new rules regarding home produced players will work towards this, but I do think they need to be tightened regarding where players can travel from. Leeds Wigan and Saints do seem to sign up a lot of youngsters and let them go, maybe they'd get more of a chance at other clubs to develop? Not blaming the clubs mind.

Anyone else think home produced players U23 should have some kind of exemption from the salary cap? Maybe only half their salaries to count?

Re KL - they dont make em like that over here!

Something I've been asking for over the last four years.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:07 pm  

lurchio wrote:

Anyone else think home produced players U23 should have some kind of exemption from the salary cap? Maybe only half their salaries to count?

Aye. Been saying that for ageas.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:09 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Something I've been asking for over the last four years.

Shame the boys inside the JJB didn't ey??? That way you may stay within the cap.

On a more serious note though I think its a genuinely good idea. It will encourage clubs to bring through talent and it would surely do the England/GB teams a world of good.

On a possible negative however it may mean when players become 23+ there released due to clubs not being able to afford them or rather there not wanting to give them a 100% salary rise. Would be a good thing though.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:10 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Why did Leeds release all those "top class" props.

Because we comply with the salary cap. But that wasn't your question was it old bean, though I can understand why you're trying to change the subject.

Your question was............

Who was the last decent young prop produced by the Leeds academy system?

....and I think I more than adequately answered you. Of course, none of the players I mentioned have quite hit the heights of O'Carroll and Prescott but maybe Wigan's record for producing quality props is something Leeds can look to emulate.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:10 pm  

lurchio wrote:

Anyone else think home produced players U23 should have some kind of exemption from the salary cap? Maybe only half their salaries to count?

i think you will find almost total agreement at Leeds, Bradford, Wigan, Saints, Hull etc for that, problem is some clubs self interest and short term thinking would leave them uncompetitive, at a club like Hull KR or Wakefield you would be asking turkeys to vote for christmas

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:11 pm  

lurchio wrote:

Anyone else think home produced players U23 should have some kind of exemption from the salary cap? Maybe only half their salaries to count?

Re KL - they dont make em like that over here!

Definitely think there should be some form of incentive, yes, but the flip side of that is that you then free up cap space for more journeyman non-GB qualified players to fill out the rest of your squad. Saying that, I'm sure there's a way around that.

However, your point on Kylie then shows what's wrong with the British game, why don't we make 'em like that? Maybe we do, but with the wrong ethnicity some clubs aren't giving them the chance to show it?

That's not a dig at you by the way, it's more an observation on the way club administrators are thinking.