Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:41 pm  

Rommel wrote:

FWIW from a Saints fan:

Your halfs will be better next year but for me your pack was easily rolled over last year by Walmsley alone. Matt Prior seems to be a favorite of yours but i thought he was blowing out of his booty after 10 mins, could not get back?

Your Pack needs to be a lot better next year if your going to get better.

Wouldn't argue with that but neither would I say a repeat is nailed on. Given we had players missing, playing injured and/or unable to train I'd be hopeful of better next time.bwe were shown up pretty badly in those last two games where we faced you though, granted

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:51 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Worth remembering that the Leeds pack matched if not overcame the Saints one in the cup game earlier in the season. The problem then was we didn't have the half backs or backs in place to take advantage. I think most would agree the pack by the end of the season was too tired/not fit to compete properly. Lessons for sure learned there in not burning out people like Prior.

I know we need to pace him but 2022 could be another huge one for Morgan Gannon. In a couple of years time him and Bentley could be the England back row.

Is Bentley honestly that good? I haven't actually seen enough of him to form a solid view.

We have a fair few candidates for current or future England international spots, which is a great position to be in given where we have been.

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:05 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Worth remembering that the Leeds pack matched if not overcame the Saints one in the cup game earlier in the season. The problem then was we didn't have the half backs or backs in place to take advantage. I think most would agree the pack by the end of the season was too tired/not fit to compete properly. Lessons for sure learned there in not burning out people like Prior.

I know we need to pace him but 2022 could be another huge one for Morgan Gannon. In a couple of years time him and Bentley could be the England back row.

In fairness we did have about 12 forwards playing in that game. You would expect us to hold our own down the middle.

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:58 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

In fairness we did have about 12 forwards playing in that game. You would expect us to hold our own down the middle.

Lol

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:18 am  

Not surprised he's gone we move on it was nailed on he was leaving just a matter of when & who to.

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:02 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

Myler is ahead of Walker. Proven to be a better player at 1.

Myler; reliable durable, good passer, reads a game well, decent defender.

Walker; very Injury prone, no kicking game, no passing game, poor decision maker, average defender, lacks genuine pace, but good evasive runner. Thats all he really offers, and some fans latch on to the flashy stepping runs and ignore his clear deficiencies.

On balance Myler is first choice and his form at Fullback for last 2 Years (Lance todd winner) backs that up. Walker needs 10-12 games on loan to get back up to speed and prove he is durable enough and can stay injury free.

Walker is better at kick returns, is a better defender and safer at dealing the with kicks. Myler, who has performed admirably as a stand in full back, brings the traditional half back skills to the full back roll; coming into the line and passing. Do need this if we have 2 performing half backs and hooker?

Of course, if Walker gets injured again this is all irrevalant. But let’s not just write off a player who 3 years ago was talked about at the next England / GB full back.

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:23 am  

Les Norton wrote:

Walker is better at kick returns, is a better defender and safer at dealing the with kicks. Myler, who has performed admirably as a stand in full back, brings the traditional half back skills to the full back roll; coming into the line and passing. Do need this if we have 2 performing half backs and hooker?

Of course, if Walker gets injured again this is all irrevalant. But let’s not just write off a player who 3 years ago was talked about at the next England / GB full back.

I think that's a fair assessment, although I think Myler was pretty safe under the high ball too.

I think the most significant thing with Myler is that he linked up well with Gale. They both preferred to attack down that left edge, which was the main side we'd try a set play down. I think with Gale gone, Walker actually has a better chance of learning to play off Sezer and Austin. We need to switch the focus of our attack now to the right hand side with Newman and Fus (if they play there). I'd like Handley to start coming insde a bit more as floating winger, the way Chris Ashton used to play for England RU. I think he'll have limited opportunities outside Sutcliffe in comparison.

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:11 pm  

Think Myler has done a great job as a makeshift full back but I honestly don't the club should renew his contract at the end of 22. Full back is a hugely important spine position and looking at it objectively I'd say he is a clear second best to Tomkins, Welsby, French, Hardaker, Connor, Evalds and Coote for starters. I'm hoping young Walker and get in the side and force his way up that list, but if he can't we need to recruit a top full back. That's the only way we'll eventually close the gap on the very best.

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:38 pm  

Myler’s really brave and seems a good bloke. Very skilful too.

I probably wouldn’t renew him next year either. Had a good stint with Leeds but might be time to call it.

Put it this way: which of our direct competitors would sign him off us?

Re: OUT 2022 | Luke Gale - Hull FC : Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:09 pm  

Why not see how Myler does this year before deciding? Hes been excellent at 1 pretty poor in halves but i see no reason to let him go.