Re: WCC : Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:10 pm  

Good luck tonight chaps...

Re: WCCh : Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:11 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

I dont think that the game tonight is as hopeless as you guys are making out:
Even with all the injuries weve got weve still got 4/5 of our backline plus ferres and Cuthbertson who are better than their opposite numbers

I think our backline (1-5) is marginally better, their forwards are a fair bit better, and the spine (6,7,9) of Thurston, Morgan, Granville vs Sutcliffe, Lilley, Burrow doesn't bear thinking about.

We need our three to have miracle games if we're going to compete, plus much better 80 minute defence round the ruck to stop Granville/Taumalolo than we've usually been capable of. I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.

Re: WCC : Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:17 pm  

This weather is getting a bit rough.

I might stay in and watch it at home on TV sat in my armchair with the central heating on.

Just like several others on this forum

Re: WCC : Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:29 pm  

DHM wrote:

The RFU effectively banned that. We were all warned not to do it because one kid got hurt by an "enthusiastic" coach who pushed back. Yet still the muppet who was our self appointed head coach tried to do it every week. Every week I would have to stop him.
I tried for 5 years to progress skills and eventually gave up after one too many full on shouting matches. In every one of the six minis age groups at our club we had a self appointed head coach who ignored the club coaching structure (designed so all the kids got to 16 with the right skills, calls and club patterns) and did whatever their bull***t personal "rugby" philosophy was - usually shaped to fit the limitations or perceived strengths of their own kids.

To be fair my lad switched to swimming full time last year and our experiences of the ASA and the people who have taken positions of responsibility (most in our county are well over 70 and never swam at all) make other sporting bodies come out as superstars.

The drill in itself is bad enough, my bigger issue is with coaching things in relays, queues of 18 kids and only touching the ball once every 5 minutes. A good reality check would be for someone to focus on say 2 kids throughout an hours training session then report back on the number of minutes out of the 60 that those children were actively engaged (touching the ball) for.

Unfortunately with all the coach education many coaches don't have the patience to see it through or even buy into the principles in the first place. Their weekend (and ego) lives or dies on whether their u10s won, and if they didn't the players 'will get it in the neck'. Theres another principle that's unfortunately not adhered to; as a coach if things arent going right with your team, reflect with complete honestly about your practice and strive to provide an environment in which the players can reach their potential.

Re: WCC : Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:59 pm  

Seth wrote:

The drill in itself is bad enough, my bigger issue is with coaching things in relays, queues of 18 kids and only touching the ball once every 5 minutes. A good reality check would be for someone to focus on say 2 kids throughout an hours training session then report back on the number of minutes out of the 60 that those children were actively engaged (touching the ball) for.

Unfortunately with all the coach education many coaches don't have the patience to see it through or even buy into the principles in the first place. Their weekend (and ego) lives or dies on whether their u10s won, and if they didn't the players 'will get it in the neck'. Theres another principle that's unfortunately not adhered to; as a coach if things arent going right with your team, reflect with complete honestly about your practice and strive to provide an environment in which the players can reach their potential.

i dont even think we should be keeping score at u10's, the focus needs to be executing skills instead of winning games, and lets be fair, its not just coaches. Many of them would be getting it in the neck from parents if the team loses.

Our game has its own little fiefdoms with their own individual interests where success, tomorrow, for them is the only thing that matters.

Re: WCCh : Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:00 pm  

craigizzard wrote:

I think our backline (1-5) is marginally better, their forwards are a fair bit better, and the spine (6,7,9) of Thurston, Morgan, Granville vs Sutcliffe, Lilley, Burrow doesn't bear thinking about.

We need our three to have miracle games if we're going to compete, plus much better 80 minute defence round the ruck to stop Granville/Taumalolo than we've usually been capable of. I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.

Conveniently left out 1 from the spine but I take your point
For all the talk of thurston he isnt the biggest threat, though his ability to put second rowers through holes will provide problems
the biggest threat will be granville breaking from dummy half who is lightning quick for a 9 and even skimmed GI last year so we cant rely on Hardaker to stop him 1 on 1 like we could most hookers, the only way to stop him is slowing the PTB, weve got 5 props out there tonight and if they stand up weve got every chance imo

Re: WCC : Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:09 pm  

Seth wrote:

The drill in itself is bad enough, my bigger issue is with coaching things in relays, queues of 18 kids and only touching the ball once every 5 minutes. A good reality check would be for someone to focus on say 2 kids throughout an hours training session then report back on the number of minutes out of the 60 that those children were actively engaged (touching the ball) for.

Unfortunately with all the coach education many coaches don't have the patience to see it through or even buy into the principles in the first place. Their weekend (and ego) lives or dies on whether their u10s won, and if they didn't the players 'will get it in the neck'. Theres another principle that's unfortunately not adhered to; as a coach if things arent going right with your team, reflect with complete honestly about your practice and strive to provide an environment in which the players can reach their potential.

Swimming has the same issues funnily enough. Swimming is an early developing sport so there are coaches who literally flig kids to death. Kids don't have an issue with lactic acid so you can theoretically work them almost to the level of adult internationals. We had such a coach when my son started swimming (a bit late at 10). When he was 11 he was regularly doing near 40k in a week, 13k on one day. His technique and his skills were awful. We moved him and all he did this last year was skills. There are British WC medalists - one in particular - who don't kick properly off the wall in turns (the fastest part of the race) and their turns are awful. That person funnily enough swam as s youngster at my son's old club.

Re: WCC : Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:16 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

That is a pretty ridiculous statement, Watkins and Mcgilvery were in the world XIII last year and imo Watkins was better than James Roberts (Dally M centre of the year) who has a very good running game but isn't very skillful and was anonymous last night
Also as exited as you are about seeing Matt Scott, you presumable saw JP play for us for 10 years, and he is clearly the superior prop
If there are no world class players in SL then why did Graham get in the Dally M and World team of the year in his first year down under, the sad fact is some players dont get rated as world class (by people like you) until they play down under, a key reason for us loosing a lot of our top talent

No its not just because they got in a world 13 doesn't make them world class - there isn't a world class performer in every position but there more than one in others. My idea of a world class performer is say Sean Johnson, Greg Inglis, Jonathan Thurston, Cameron Smith, RTS, these guys are few are far between, I would there are 10 max. - the fact you think Watkins and McGilvery are even close to that standard is a difficult to understand. I would say Ryan Hall is nearer than both of them. Watkins has the potential to be a world beater but as last season showed he needs to up his game if he is to considered even as good as the likes of Jennings who I wouldn't say is world class.

JP was a great player but to suggest he is a better player than Matt Scott again I cannot agree with Matt Scott has been the best prop in world rugby since the retirement of Webke. JP has been passed his peak since 2010.

James Graham hasn't played in SL for years - we are talking about now not what happened 6 years ago. Graham was a class player when he played here as was Sam Burgess but the competition was better in those days. Who are your world class player currently running around in SL?

Re: WCC : Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:18 pm  

William Eve wrote:

This weather is getting a bit rough.

I might stay in and watch it at home on TV sat in my armchair with the central heating on.

Just like several others on this forum

We have no SKY at the moment - bloody builders - so we will trudging down to Headingley to see the world's best RL player - what a chore!!

Re: WCC : Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:20 pm  

Can't believe you guys are that big a underdogs. 9/2 to win and evens for a +14 handicap.

I don't think the Cows are that special, hopefully you guys can do a number on them. All the best!